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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Axel Dörfler)

Fri, 2015-06-19 02:45
Am 18.05.2015 um 11:50 schrieb fox noodles: [...] I didin't like the transparent hidden scrollbars when they first appeared either. But I know that they are better. While I think Stephan came on a little strong, I agree with him that your discussion style is pretty offensive, and I learned from that that you obviously don't deal well with criticism. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-06-11 14:45
18 mai 2015 10:09 fox noodles foxnoodles@xxxxxxxxx a écrit: touch-devices, or at least became popular with those. No I didn't say that, I said that you don't need to click a scroll bar nobody clicks a scroll bar for scrolling(right? well my granny maybe does but she's not the case. ) and since u don't need to click it it's hidden by default to let you save some free screen space and increase readability and ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (fox noodles)

Thu, 2015-06-11 10:45
First of all, let me say I _was_ quite enjoying some parts of this thread's UI discussion, hearing arguments for/against certain changes, all good mostly same same. Right, so as a response to critique you insult the one developer who has ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Stephan Aßmus)

Wed, 2015-06-10 23:45
Hi Ithamar, Am 18.05.2015 um 11:33 schrieb Ithamar Adema: First of all, let me say I _was_ quite enjoying some parts of this thread's UI discussion, hearing arguments for/against certain changes, all good mostly. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:22 AM, fox noodles foxnoodles@xxxxxxxxx ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Ithamar Adema)

Wed, 2015-06-10 07:45
First of all, let me say I _was_ quite enjoying some parts of this thread's UI discussion, hearing arguments for/against certain changes, all good mostly. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:22 AM, fox noodles foxnoodles@xxxxxxxxx wrote: propose makes sense or it doesn't. I can and will judge for myself and so can everybody else on this list. For it to be any different, ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (fox noodles)

Wed, 2015-06-10 00:45
Please stop the I know it all, I have so much experience, please don't make me explain anything, just do what I say attitude. Either what you propose makes sense or it doesn't. I can and will judge for myself and so can everybody else on this list. For it to be any different, I wrote a whole speech on *** on this but I guess this guy is not worth it. a classic lazy programmer who prefers to stick with an outdated thing for years. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Stephan Aßmus)

Tue, 2015-06-09 20:45
Hi, Am 16.05.2015 um 19:52 schrieb fox noodles: Thanks for the comprehensive Adrien, yes I'm aware that most of the time people are working for free on Haiku etc. so do I ATM, but as u might already know and from my personal experience it's always(I repeat always no exceptions unless you're a ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (fox noodles)

Tue, 2015-06-09 20:45
explained* On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM, fox noodles foxnoodles@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Personally I do understand all those things Humdinger talks about, yet I'm still sticking to hidden scollbars(explaint above) (and I do scroll a lot trust me). So I guess it's just a matter of taste and should implemented in both ways. Let the user decide... ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (fox noodles)

Tue, 2015-06-09 18:45
Ok think we all agree that this should be implemented right? Personally I do understand all those things Humdinger talks about, yet I'm still sticking to hidden scollbars(explaint above) (and I do scroll a lot trust me). So I guess it's just a matter of taste and should implemented in both ways. Let the user decide... On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Ithamar Adema ithamar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Ithamar Adema)

Tue, 2015-06-09 18:45
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Humdinger humdingerb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: clicking in the scroll bar above/below the knob. Ok, fair enough. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Humdinger)

Tue, 2015-06-09 16:45
On 18 May 2015 at 09:57, Ithamar Adema ithamar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: That's true. However, I still like to scroll a long text page-wise by clicking in the scroll bar above/below the knob. I also like to see where I am on the page with a glance. Or if I can scroll at all. Therefore completely hiding them would very bad IMO. Regards, Humdinger ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (fox noodles)

Mon, 2015-06-08 01:45
As you said, this idea to hide the scrollbar seems to come from touch-devices, or at least became popular with those. No I didn't say that, I said that you don't need to click a scroll bar nobody clicks a scroll bar for scrolling(right? well my granny maybe does but she's not the case. ) and since u don't need to click it it's hidden by default to let you save some free screen space and increase readability and then I said that's why they don't have those on mobile. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Ithamar Adema)

Mon, 2015-06-08 01:45
Hi Humdinger, On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Humdinger humdingerb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: As you said, this idea to hide the scrollbar seems to come from touch-devices, or at least became popular with those. On a mouse operated desktop system however, you generally want/need to see what you want to click. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Humdinger)

Sun, 2015-06-07 11:45
On 18 May 2015 at 09:15, fox noodles foxnoodles@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Apparently this is a matter of taste and what you're used (and how the OSs behave you use besides Haiku). So it should definitely be an optional thing. As you said, this idea to hide the scrollbar seems to come from touch-devices, or at least became popular with those. On a mouse operated desktop system however, you generally want/need to see what you want to click. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (fox noodles)

Tue, 2015-05-26 03:45
It makes complete sense once the scroll bars are hidden by default: You are now primarily scrolling the window contents, not moving the indicator on the scroll bar. Personally, it made immediate sense to me and just took a couple of weeks for the scrollbar-moving direction of scroll wheels to feel very weird and unintuitive on other OS’s. Luckily, there are (usually non-standard) tweaks for most OS’s to adjust the HID device scroll behaviour to be inverted and it would be great on Haiku as well. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (Juha-Jarmo Heinonen)

Mon, 2015-05-25 23:45
I do have mixed feelings about so called natural or reversed scrolling. It makes complete sense once the scroll bars are hidden by default: You are now primarily scrolling the window contents, not moving the indicator on the scroll bar. Personally, it made immediate sense to me and just took a couple of weeks for the scrollbar-moving direction of scroll wheels to feel very weird and unintuitive on other OS’s. Luckily, there are (usually non-standard) tweaks for most OS’s to adjust the HID device scroll behaviour to be inverted and it would ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Who's working Haiku's on UI/UX? (fox noodles)

Mon, 2015-05-25 17:45
[As a personal opinion, I'm not too impressed with a lot of the trendy UI stuff. Ubuntu has a lot of the fades, and so on, and is often frustratingly unusable. In particular the scrollbars are abysmal!] Do you have the same problems with OSX's UI? If yes please explain why. P.S. again u can enable the standard scrollbars in Ubuntu. ...
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