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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 09:06:03PM +0100, Axel Dörfler wrote: Am 26/02/2013 20:55, schrieb Ryan Leavengood: Let me just add one more comment before I get back to work: I think we can solve the issues with the zoom button if we introduce an easy way to maximize a window. I personally really like the drag to top to maximize gesture [....] As long as one can turn it off... I feel like I lose control with these shortcuts. I never make a window cover half of the entire screen (and I rarely see a use case for this), and I often manage to accidentally ...

Let me just add one more comment before I get back to work: I think we can solve the issues with the zoom button if we introduce an easy way to maximize a window. I personally really like the drag to top to maximize gesture that Microsoft introduced in Windows 7. Various Linux window managers have copied this, and there are applications in Mac OS X which copy it too. I think it is a great idea, and very easy to use. The same applies to the drag to the sides to take half the screen gesture. I think if we added that to our window decorators it would solve a lot of complaints. ...

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Justin Stressman jstressman@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Perhaps we should create a new thread for this ongoing discussion? We've quite trampled the original topic. :( Feel free, but this happens a lot and all of us are guilty of doing this. It is just the nature of human conversation. -- ...

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 02:55:55PM -0500, Ryan Leavengood wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Justin Stressman jstressman@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Let me just add one more comment before I get back to work: I think we can solve the issues with the zoom button if we introduce an easy way to maximize a window. I personally really like the drag to top to maximize gesture that Microsoft introduced in Windows 7. Various Linux window managers have copied this, and there are applications in Mac OS X which copy it too. I think it is a great idea, and very easy to use. ...

Another point I think we should note is the possible distinction between R1 changes, and R2 changes. Some of these ideas are much better suited for post-R1 perhaps? I tend to think that R1 is supposed to be the modern update of BeOS, sticking close to the original, whereas after that we are free to break from that mold and go with more drastic design changes leading into R2. The glass ceiling changes I believe they were referred to as. ...

Perhaps we should create a new thread for this ongoing discussion? We've quite trampled the original topic. :( -- 猿も木から落ちる ...

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Stephan Aßmus superstippi@xxxxxx wrote: Am 26.02.2013 um 21:01 schrieb Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: What we could do to address Justin's points, however, is adding another button, ie. a maximize button. Applications that use the zoom button as de facto maximum button would then actually show a maximum button. I would guess only few apps would sport the two of them (which would probably make the UI look a bit crowded, if I remember MUI right). ...

Am 26/02/2013 21:05, schrieb Stephan Aßmus: Am 26.02.2013 um 21:01 schrieb Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: What we could do to address Justin's points, however, is adding another button, ie. a maximize button. Applications that use the zoom button as de facto maximum button would then actually show a maximum button. I would guess only few apps would sport the two of them (which would probably make the UI look a bit crowded, if I remember MUI ...

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: As long as one can turn it off... I feel like I lose control with these shortcuts. I never make a window cover half of the entire screen (and I rarely see a use case for this), and I often manage to accidentally maximize windows which I find quite annoying. Now if you had to press a modifier key while dragging for this behaviour, this would be something entirely different -- as it would give me back my control, and let me decide whether or not I want to maximize a window. ...

Am 26/02/2013 20:55, schrieb Ryan Leavengood: Let me just add one more comment before I get back to work: I think we can solve the issues with the zoom button if we introduce an easy way to maximize a window. I personally really like the drag to top to maximize gesture that Microsoft introduced in Windows 7. Various Linux window managers have copied this, and there are applications in Mac OS X which copy it too. I think it is a great idea, and very easy to use. The same applies to the drag to the sides to take half the ...

Hi, Am 26.02.2013 um 21:01 schrieb Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: What we could do to address Justin's points, however, is adding another button, ie. a maximize button. Applications that use the zoom button as de facto maximum button would then actually show a maximum button. I would guess only few apps would sport the two of them (which would probably make the UI look a bit crowded, if I remember MUI right). ...

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Let me just add one more comment before I get back to work: I think we can solve the issues with the zoom button if we introduce an easy way to maximize a window. I personally really like the drag to top to maximize gesture that Microsoft introduced in Windows 7. Various Linux window managers have copied this, and there are applications in Mac OS X which copy it too. I think it is a great idea, and very easy to use. The same applies to the drag to the sides to take half the screen gesture. I think if we added that to our window decorators it would solve a lot of complaints. ...