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[haiku-development] PM Mount Points (Simon Taylor)

Thu, 2015-02-19 22:45
Hi all, Yet another attempt to change the subject to something less troll-like :) The discussion is now down to where to place the packagefs mount points. I’ve attempted to fairly summarize the pros and cons of the competing options, along with a name of someone making the argument (non-exhaustive and from memory): Directly in ~/config and /system (as ~/config/bin, ~/config/include, /system/bin, etc): ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-02-19 20:45
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 09:14:53AM +0100, Stephan Aßmus wrote: Hi, Am 18.02.2015 um 08:08 schrieb Adrien Destugues: I now have a question: is there really an use for home/config being packaged? From my personal experience I have found that it is more a source of confusion, for example when I have an old package installed there and keep wondering why the fixes I try to install in system don't seem to work. I didn't end up using it much, and put most of my packages in system. The rollback from the boot menu is a good enough safety ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
Hi, Am 18.02.2015 um 08:08 schrieb Adrien Destugues: I now have a question: is there really an use for home/config being packaged? From my personal experience I have found that it is more a source of confusion, for example when I have an old package installed there and keep wondering why the fixes I try to install in system don't seem to work. I didn't end up using it much, and put most of my packages ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Stephan wrote: Hi folks I´m referring to this discussion: I´m interested in bringing a GUI to NetBSD and I think that Haiku´s appserver and UI toolkit is a good base. I don´t need to mention the mess of X and 100 different crazy toolkits and dektop environments ...
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[haiku-development] Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Stephan)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
Hi folks I´m referring to this discussion: I´m interested in bringing a GUI to NetBSD and I think that Haiku´s appserver and UI toolkit is a good base. I don´t need to mention the mess of X and 100 different crazy toolkits and dektop environments here. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 05:33:04PM -0500, John Scipione wrote: Do you think that the issues with package management discussed in this thread are serious enough to warrant bringing Ingo and/or Oliver back for another round of Haiku, Inc. sponsored revisions (assuming they were willing to take up the mantle) before Beta1? That would most likely be the best way to get these changes made since nobody else has as much experience and understanding of package management. In this thread there (finally!) was some discussion about what the problem actually is: sub-optimal choice of directory names and ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (John Scipione)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Urias McCullough umccullough@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:36 PM, John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: hmmm, weird, I just built a fresh vmware image and I didn't get the font... is there a different build profile that is used when building vmware images? Nope, as long as you use bootstrap-vmware it should pick up anything defined by bootstrap-* as well. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (Urias McCullough)

Thu, 2015-02-19 16:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:36 PM, John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: hmmm, weird, I just built a fresh vmware image and I didn't get the font... is there a different build profile that is used when building vmware images? Nope, as long as you use bootstrap-vmware it should pick up anything defined by bootstrap-* as well. Are you sure adding it to UserBuildConfig actually fixes it? My guess is you may have something clogging up your build and you need to clean ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (John Scipione)

Thu, 2015-02-19 16:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Urias McCullough umccullough@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Can we please add the default Deja Vu font to the bootstrap image. I just got burned once again by missing this font. Terminal doesn’t work, and the rest of the system does not look right without the font. Normally I install it in my UserBuildConfig, but, I just setup a new box and forgot to do that, I really don’t think it should be necessary. But it's there already? ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (Urias McCullough)

Thu, 2015-02-19 16:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Can we please add the default Deja Vu font to the bootstrap image. I just got burned once again by missing this font. Terminal doesn’t work, and the rest of the system does not look right without the font. Normally I install it in my UserBuildConfig, but, I just setup a new box and forgot to do that, I really don’t think it should be necessary. But it's there already? ...
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[haiku-development] Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (John Scipione)

Thu, 2015-02-19 16:45
Can we please add the default Deja Vu font to the bootstrap image. I just got burned once again by missing this font. Terminal doesn’t work, and the rest of the system does not look right without the font. Normally I install it in my UserBuildConfig, but, I just setup a new box and forgot to do that, I really don’t think it should be necessary. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Augustin Cavalier)

Thu, 2015-02-19 14:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Pete Goodeve pete.goodeve@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Augustin, I'm getting pretty tired of this. I know you're only 16 or so, and you want to stake your place in the hierarchy, but you're just coming over (to my perception anyway) as aggressive and rude. I've been using BeOS/Haiku since before you were born, so I don't appreciate it. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Pete Goodeve)

Thu, 2015-02-19 14:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 09:11:23PM +0000, Jessica Hamilton wrote: On Wed Feb 18 2015 at 9:54:30 AM Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Pretty much a repeat of the same arguments... Augustin, I'm getting pretty tired of this. I know you're only 16 or so, and you want to stake your place in the hierarchy, but you're just coming over (to my perception anyway) as aggressive and rude. I've been using BeOS/Haiku since before you were born, so I don't appreciate it. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Chase Rayfield)

Thu, 2015-02-19 14:45
From my point of view. The problem is that non-packaged itself goes against what people normally think when viewing files of any kind. You should just be able to drop files in THE config folder and it work. because its the config folder if they notice they ~/config/packaged folder they'll see that and its pretty clear that it comes from the packages and they won't be too surprised when they find it to be RO. A config folder with RO files and a single writable non-packaged peephole the opposite of intuitive and discoverable. A ~/config-packaged or better ~/config/packaged folder goes a long way to being more intuitive to see that it is packaged files in the config folder and ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Julian Harnath)

Thu, 2015-02-19 12:45
Hey, Jessica Hamilton jessica.l.hamilton@xxxxxxxxx schrieb: Whilst packaging is pretty damn good (there are still cases where it falls over), it is going to take significant time for software to be migrated. Which software? Honest question, not trying to be snarky. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (John Scipione)

Thu, 2015-02-19 10:45
On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Urias McCullough umccullough@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Augustin, you miss the point here is that PM could have been less disruptive. +1, but that ship has sailed. All we can do now is ensure A4-B1 upgrading is smooth (and there are a lot of TODOs there...) ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Urias McCullough)

Thu, 2015-02-19 10:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Augustin, you miss the point here is that PM could have been less disruptive. +1, but that ship has sailed. All we can do now is ensure A4-B1 upgrading is smooth (and there are a lot of TODOs there...) It has? Last I checked we weren't even out of alpha yet... ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Augustin Cavalier)

Thu, 2015-02-19 10:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Jessica Hamilton jessica.l.hamilton@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Augustin, you miss the point here is that PM could have been less disruptive. +1, but that ship has sailed. All we can do now is ensure A4-B1 upgrading is smooth (and there are a lot of TODOs there...) ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Jessica Hamilton)

Thu, 2015-02-19 10:45
On Wed Feb 18 2015 at 9:54:30 AM Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Pete Goodeve pete.goodeve@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: One of the arguments I've kept hearing from those in favour of the current setup is that nobody has specified what has been broken. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Edward Robbins)

Thu, 2015-02-19 08:45
I'm not a haiku developer but am a power user and have contributed a number (~10) of ports to haiku ports, in both its old (bep) and new (hpkg) incarnations. I was also a BeOS user and now develop (proprietary) software for haiku and try to use it as my day-to-day OS (in fact, I develop cross platform software for my day job and make sure it works in haiku as homework because I prefer to work in haiku). Anyway, the point of the above is to qualify the following; it took me all of a day or so to get used to the new system, and about a week to ...
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