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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Jimmy)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
I think once HaikuDepot Is able to install all user installed applications and their dependencies (That are not already installed in the system) in home directory it will solve a lot of the issues being brought up here. Isn't that why BeOS and Haiku have ~/config/bin ~/config/lib etc in the first place? So that user installed applications can have the files they need without Interfering with the system installed files? This way also the read-only file system doesn't get in the way of anyone. Users can do what they want with their files, And nothing hurts the OS. I know someone mention that this is a future feature of haiku depot.. Maybe if ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Ingo Weinhold)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
On 03.09.2015 22:42, Alexander von Gluck IV wrote: On 2015-09-03 15:30, Pete Goodeve wrote: On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 12:26:45PM +0200, Stephan A??mus wrote: If memory serves, that option had been considered at the time. I guess more arguments had been found for the way it is now, and personally I agree with that. Having to use non-packaged should be a fall-back or ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Pete Goodeve)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 02:37:32PM -0700, Urias McCullough wrote: kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: directory structure might have been discussed (before implementation) and I'm afraid I had no luck. I certainly was blindsided. You guys are over 2 years late to the conversation :P ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Urias McCullough)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: directory structure might have been discussed (before implementation) and I'm afraid I had no luck. I certainly was blindsided. You guys are over 2 years late to the conversation :P The discussion definitely goes back further than that - I found some ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Alexander von Gluck IV)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
On 2015-09-03 15:30, Pete Goodeve wrote: On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 12:26:45PM +0200, Stephan A??mus wrote: Am 03.09.2015 um 12:17 schrieb Fredrik Holmqvist: I have a pet-peeve about the 'non-packaged' folders for where users can do edits. I'd prefer if it was the other way around with a 'packaged' folder instead. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Pete Goodeve)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 12:26:45PM +0200, Stephan A??mus wrote: I have a pet-peeve about the 'non-packaged' folders for where users can do edits. I'd prefer if it was the other way around with a 'packaged' folder instead. My own strong feeling [as I'm sure I've stated before...] is that the structure of the *system* tree is exactly right. The basis of the system is now packages, and anything non-packaged is going to be a 'tweak'. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
Hi Adrien, Am 03.09.2015 um 12:48 schrieb Adrien Destugues: ... sorry for replying to myself. Just wanted to add, and this has been mentioned before, that a lot of people including myself thought that both the packages and non-packaged folders would contribute to a /single/ directory layout. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
mentioned before, that a lot of people including myself thought that both the packages and non-packaged folders would contribute to a /single/ directory layout. I understand the reasons. However, that difference would have been more intuitive ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Axel Dörfler)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
Am 03.09.2015 um 12:34 schrieb Stephan Aßmus: I regret that it wasn't done, but I understand the reasons. However, that difference would have been more intuitive /and/ would have avoided a lot of compatibility issues some of which are still present. No one keeps us from doing so; if someone is interested in this, patches are always welcome :-) ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
Am 03.09.2015 um 12:26 schrieb Stephan Aßmus: Am 03.09.2015 um 12:17 schrieb Fredrik Holmqvist: tors 3 sep. 2015 kl 11:56 skrev Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
Am 03.09.2015 um 12:17 schrieb Fredrik Holmqvist: tors 3 sep. 2015 kl 11:56 skrev Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The current approach with extra writable folders is easy to grasp, and ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Fredrik Holmqvist)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
tors 3 sep. 2015 kl 11:56 skrev Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: The current approach with extra writable folders is easy to grasp, and totally clean, and transparent. You just have to get used to it, that's all. And if it didn't even drive you off, it can't be so bad anyway ;-) I have a pet-peeve about the 'non-packaged' folders for where users can do edits. I'd prefer if it was the other way around with a 'packaged' folder ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Axel Dörfler)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
Am 02.09.2015 um 21:00 schrieb jimmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Time can be spent right now to implement the Hold The Shift Key feature so that the read-only thing doesnt turn people off [...] As Adrien wrote, it had been considered to keep things writable; but it's not really worth it. While the performance wouldn't really suffer a lot (not sure where ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Matthias Lindner)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
2015-09-03 7:05 GMT+02:00 Adrien Destugues pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxx: 4) Removing a package should remove its DeskBar entries, because no one wants to be left with dead links in the Deskbar. This should work even if the user has reorganized the menu and moved things around. dev-discussion so close. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (looncraz)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
On 9/3/2015 01:16, Edward Robbins (Redacted sender edd.robbins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Adrien Destugues pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxx wrote: This only gets us half-way to what we want to do. We have 1, 4 and 5, and some of 3 (you can add, but not move or remove entries). I think it would be nice to be able to right click on a file and click blacklist to have blacklisting handled for you automatically. The ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Edward Robbins)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Adrien Destugues pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxx wrote: and some of 3 (you can add, but not move or remove entries). I think it would be nice to be able to right click on a file and click blacklist to have blacklisting handled for you automatically. The file should then show up in tracker but be grayed out, so that if you right click it again it shows an unblacklist option. If a blacklisting type mechanism also allowed files to be moved (so an entry in a file that would say this file in this package should ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 08:44:48PM +0000, jimmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: /boot/home/config/deskbar/menu/Applications instead of /boot/system/data/deskbar/menu/Applications and have Deskbar point to it directly. If people want to customize it, they click on Applications in deskbar. I can remember the design requirements for the DeskBar menu, which were reached through a lot of discussion on the mailing list and maybe that ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Jimmy)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Dario Casalinuovo b.vitruvio@xxxxxxxxx wrote: And i don't want to flame, i just want people to think about things. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (jimmy)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
Adrien wrote: There are other parts, like the way DeskBar is populated, that are not in line with this. However, there was a lengthy discussion about it on the ML and I don't think a better solution was found (a proposal using queries was interesting, but didn't allow for customization at all). On my side, the result is I don't use the deskbar menu all that much anymore and have installed LnLauncher, where I can manage icons the ...
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[haiku-development] Re: I suggest a vote on 3 items (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2015-09-03 23:45
Hi Jimmy, Personally, i am all for package menagement! I love it and I think it adds a great benefit to the Haiku Project. But was all this really necissary for package management? Yes, in order to implement /this/ kind package management. ...
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