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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Adrien Destugues)

Sun, 2015-07-26 21:45
an op on the IRC channel, system administration of our servers, etc. For these, we can only have a restricted number of people taking care of them, because otherwise (with all developers trying to help) it would be a mess. However, this does not (and should not) grant them any superpowers on the project: people occupying these positions are supposed to only execute decisions made by the Haiku project. Unless, ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Axel Dörfler)

Sun, 2015-07-26 21:45
Am 08.07.2015 um 15:44 schrieb Paweł Dziepak: [...] I do hope that there isn't death penalty in any unwritten Haiku Penal Code – Haiku, Inc. wouldn't afford to hire assassins. Seriously, I thought that we are civilized enough that we don't need million billion rules and procedures for almost everything and if there are any issues we can just discuss that particular case. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Paweł Dziepak)

Sun, 2015-07-26 21:45
On 8 July 2015 at 14:36, Adrien Destugues pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] Commit access for Barrett (gus knight)

Sun, 2015-07-26 21:45
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Adrien Destugues pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Media Kit currently. Unfortunately none of the devs feel comfortable enough with the current codebase of the media kit to review his patches (see for example other tickets in a similar situation). To me it means Barrett knows the media kit better than any of the active developers, and we should probably grant him commit access, despite the lack ...
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[haiku-development] [proposal] Commit access for Barrett (Adrien Destugues)

Sun, 2015-07-26 21:45
Hi, This is a proposal to grant commit access to Barrett. He has been around for a very long time and he is trying to help with the Media Kit currently. Unfortunately none of the devs feel comfortable enough with the current codebase of the media kit to review his patches (see for example tickets in a similar situation). ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (gus knight)

Sun, 2015-07-26 19:45
Hi, Before I say anything else, I'd just like to say I'm sorry for all of this. Exclusion was not my intention at all. On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Adrien Destugues pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: revoking commit access if one breaks the build and doesn't fix the problem in, let's say, 3 hours. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: #haiku is locked to new devs/users (gus knight)

Sun, 2015-07-26 17:45
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Adrien Destugues pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxx wrote: the fight. It is even more annoying than the trolls themselves. People using an unconfigured vision (as #HaikuUser) will not be able to join No, that's not the type of ban we enabled. Anyone can still join the channel, but only registered users can talk. You get a message from the IRC server saying you must be identified with services if you try to send any messages while unauthenticated. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: #haiku is locked to new devs/users (gus knight)

Sun, 2015-07-26 17:45
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6723@xxxxxxx wrote: I'm not sure about that. A quick survey we ran before we enabled this showed that a large percentage (90/120, IIRC) of people in #haiku already authenticate by default. There are a large number of people in #haiku who never talk, so we thought that adding this flag would only serve to inconvenience people while they set up NickServ / added their password into Vision's settings / etc. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Adrien Destugues)

Sun, 2015-07-26 17:45
revoking commit access if one breaks the build and doesn't fix the problem in, let's say, 3 hours. What would be the point of such policy though? I mean, aside from trying to reduce number of contributors to 0. Do we really want to say now that each decision one makes must be discussed with the other members of the project otherwise if there are objections someone would propose revoking some of your powers? Sure, ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Dario Casalinuovo)

Sun, 2015-07-26 09:45
Hello, gave all that power. Abuse of power -- please let's not blow things out of proportion. The Haiku project is organized as a meritocracy. People who contribute gain trust and privileges. They are supposed to (and do) use these privileges ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Paweł Dziepak)

Sun, 2015-07-26 09:45
On 8 July 2015 at 08:20, Adrien Destugues pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Recently waddlesplash decided to make the #haiku IRC channel require authentication with nickserv, apparently as an attempt to reduce trolling in there. The channel is known to largely derive into offtopic discussions. It is also the main landing point for people looking for support, as we bundle ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Ingo Weinhold)

Sun, 2015-07-26 09:45
On 08.07.2015 11:06, Dario Casalinuovo wrote: But more importantly, these changes were made without a discussion here first. It is an important change of policy and should have been discussed and submitted to a vote if there was not a strong agreement in either direction. I think it is not acceptable that people can bypass this decision process (there could be exceptions for emergency measures, but this is not one). ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Axel Dörfler)

Sat, 2015-07-25 23:45
Am 08.07.2015 um 08:58 schrieb Humdinger (Redacted sender humdingerb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx for DMARC): Well said, Adrien. While I do completely agree with the sentiment, I think we should leave it a first-and-last warning to waddlesplash not to make such impacting decisions without consulting the dev-list. He's one of the most active people on IRC and having him as op makes sense. Removing him from op won't show us if he's learned from this incident. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Dario Casalinuovo)

Fri, 2015-07-24 17:45
Hello, first. It is an important change of policy and should have been discussed and submitted to a vote if there was not a strong agreement in either direction. I think it is not acceptable that people can bypass this decision process (there could be exceptions for emergency measures, but this is not one). ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Fredrik Holmqvist)

Fri, 2015-07-24 17:45
ons 8 juli 2015 kl 08:58 skrev Humdinger dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx: While I do completely agree with the sentiment, I think we should leave it a first-and-last warning to waddlesplash not to make such impacting decisions without consulting the dev-list. He's one of the most active people on IRC and having him as op makes sense. Removing him from op won't show us if he's learned from this incident. So, -1 from me. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (scottmc)

Fri, 2015-07-24 17:45
So, I suggest waddlesplash's permissions for changing access modes on the IRC channels are revoked. -- Adrien. after having consulted this mailing list first, and only after getting the OK, which I would have voted down. The #haiku channel is and always was meant to be open. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Humdinger)

Fri, 2015-07-24 17:45
Well said, Adrien. While I do completely agree with the sentiment, I think we should leave it a first-and-last warning to waddlesplash not to make such impacting decisions without consulting the dev-list. He's one of the most active people on IRC and having him as op makes sense. Removing him from op won't show us if he's learned from this incident. So, -1 from me. Regards, ...
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[haiku-development] [proposal] removing waddlesplash from #haiku IRC channel operators (Adrien Destugues)

Fri, 2015-07-24 13:45
Hi, Recently waddlesplash decided to make the #haiku IRC channel require authentication with nickserv, apparently as an attempt to reduce trolling in there. The channel is known to largely derive into offtopic discussions. It is also the main landing point for people looking for support, as we bundle Vision preconfigured to join it in every Haiku install. It is an easy way to reach the Haiku community and get in touch with the developers. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: #haiku is locked to new devs/users (Adrien Destugues)

Fri, 2015-07-24 07:45
On Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 09:15:23PM -0700, Urias McCullough wrote: and here: ...
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