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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Oliver Tappe)

Sun, 2015-02-22 20:45
On 2015-02-17 at 23:33:04 [+0100], John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: [ ... ] Do you think that the issues with package management discussed in this thread are serious enough to warrant bringing Ingo and/or Oliver back for another round of Haiku, Inc. sponsored revisions (assuming they were willing to take up the mantle) before Beta1? That would most likely be the best way to get these changes made since nobody else has as much experience ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (François Revol)

Sun, 2015-02-22 16:45
On 18/02/2015 13:45, Stephan wrote: One thing beforehand - I enabled the tracing in libcosmoe becuase I suspect the issue is in the BeOS to POSIX wrapper. When I start the appserver, the following appears, ending in an infinite loop: [...] get_sem_id: returned id 171 create_sem_etc: enter get_group(): failed to find group for group id 0! info: LinkMsgReader GetNextReply() reports 0 bytes remaining in buffer. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Stephan)

Sun, 2015-02-22 14:45
One thing beforehand - I enabled the tracing in libcosmoe becuase I suspect the issue is in the BeOS to POSIX wrapper. When I start the appserver, the following appears, ending in an infinite loop: get_sem_id: enter get_sem_id: returned id 146 create_sem_etc: enter get_group(): failed to find group for group id 0! get_sem_id: enter ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Axel Dörfler)

Sat, 2015-02-21 14:45
Am 18.02.2015 um 10:27 schrieb Ingo Weinhold: On 02/17/2015 06:09 PM, Axel Dörfler wrote: Currently, I find this not very intuitive. That's also a UI problem, though, but changing how it works would definitely improve things a lot. I honestly don't get it. I also don't understand why this argument applies only to ~/config and not to /system. I can't decide which I find ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Stephan)

Fri, 2015-02-20 22:45
Thanks so far! Stupid me - the appserver has a problem becuase it consumes 100 % CPU on 2 of 2 threads. gdb is not working properly on NetBSD 6 with threaded programs but it says I´m in * 1 LWP 1 0x00007f7ff384b840 in _XReply () from /usr/X11R7/lib/libX11.so.7 I can´t see the other LWP. I work on that box throgh X forwarding, ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Adrien Destugues)

Fri, 2015-02-20 22:45
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:43:59AM +0100, Ingo Weinhold wrote: On 02/18/2015 11:26 AM, Axel Dörfler wrote: Am 17.02.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Augustin Cavalier: Yes, you can. Copy ~/config/bin to ~/config/non-packaged/bin, and copy /boot/common to /boot/system/non-packaged/. That's all there is to it. That's pretty much what I did, expect that I only copied etc/, and installed everything as HPKG that was in there before. I haven't seen anything fail yet, and I still have the same base installation from 15 years ago. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: PM Mount Points (Axel Dörfler)

Fri, 2015-02-20 16:45
Am 18.02.2015 um 11:21 schrieb Simon Taylor: + It works like this now (Me) There wasn't any stable release yet, so this isn't a valid argument. It’s a pro of keeping the status quo as any change would require developer time. It’s perfectly valid. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Axel Dörfler)

Fri, 2015-02-20 16:45
Am 18.02.2015 um 01:34 schrieb Pete Goodeve: This shouldn't have to be such a polarized argument. People may not really understand the 'other side's point of view, but surely when there is a compromise that should solve the situation, why not just implement it? I think this and the previous discussions just got off from the wrong ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2015-02-20 16:45
On 02/18/2015 11:26 AM, Axel Dörfler wrote: Am 17.02.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Augustin Cavalier: Yes, you can. Copy ~/config/bin to ~/config/non-packaged/bin, and copy /boot/common to /boot/system/non-packaged/. That's all there is to it. That's pretty much what I did, expect that I only copied etc/, and ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Axel Dörfler)

Fri, 2015-02-20 16:45
Am 18.02.2015 um 11:21 schrieb Stephan: Any hint where to look is appreciated :) As Adrien mentioned, this code is horribly out of date (like a decade or so). The best way to proceed would be to see what they changed to get it build on top of Linux, and then try to apply this on a current Haiku ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Adrien Destugues)

Fri, 2015-02-20 16:45
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:21:33AM +0100, Stephan wrote: Hi Thank you very much. I downloaded cosmoe and - after making some changes to the code - could compile it on NetBSD 6.0 amd64. Worst problem was the absence of semtimedop(). The appserver works already in SDL mode, but registrar is unable to start: I'm not sure this code was tested out of 32-bit mode - I would start with a 32-bit x86 system first if possible. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Axel Dörfler)

Fri, 2015-02-20 12:45
Am 17.02.2015 um 21:54 schrieb Augustin Cavalier: Yes, you can. Copy ~/config/bin to ~/config/non-packaged/bin, and copy /boot/common to /boot/system/non-packaged/. That's all there is to it. That's pretty much what I did, expect that I only copied etc/, and installed everything as HPKG that was in there before. I haven't seen anything fail yet, and I still have the same base ...
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[haiku-development] Re: PM Mount Points (Simon Taylor)

Fri, 2015-02-20 10:45
+ It works like this now (Me) There wasn't any stable release yet, so this isn't a valid argument. It’s a pro of keeping the status quo as any change would require developer time. It’s perfectly valid. - Adds hurdles for users migrating from A4/BeOS (any hardcoded paths in user ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Stephan)

Fri, 2015-02-20 10:45
Hi Thank you very much. I downloaded cosmoe and - after making some changes to the code - could compile it on NetBSD 6.0 amd64. Worst problem was the absence of semtimedop(). The appserver works already in SDL mode, but registrar is unable to start: appserver: ======================== initialize_before() ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2015-02-20 10:45
On 02/18/2015 10:39 AM, Stephan Aßmus wrote: Am 18.02.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Adrien Destugues: Ok, there is a need for an user-specific config/packages directory, but is there a need for a completely separate package mount point in config? Or could the user packages be visible in /system for that user? This way an user could override parts of the system with its own ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2015-02-20 10:45
On 02/17/2015 11:33 PM, John Scipione wrote: Do you think that the issues with package management discussed in this thread are serious enough to warrant bringing Ingo and/or Oliver back for another round of Haiku, Inc. sponsored revisions (assuming they were willing to take up the mantle) before Beta1? That would most likely be the best way to get these changes made since nobody else has as much experience and understanding of package management. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Stephan Aßmus)

Fri, 2015-02-20 08:45
Hi, Am 18.02.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Adrien Destugues: Ok, there is a need for an user-specific config/packages directory, but is there a need for a completely separate package mount point in config? Or could the user packages be visible in /system for that user? This way an user could override parts of the system with its own ...
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[haiku-development] Re: PM Mount Points (Adrien Destugues)

Fri, 2015-02-20 08:45
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 08:53:36AM +0000, Simon Taylor wrote: Hi all, Yet another attempt to change the subject to something less troll-like :) The discussion is now down to where to place the packagefs mount points. I’ve attempted to fairly summarize the pros and cons of the competing options, along with a name of someone making the argument (non-exhaustive and from memory): ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2015-02-20 08:45
On 02/17/2015 06:09 PM, Axel Dörfler wrote: Am 17/02/2015 um 17:34 schrieb Ingo Weinhold: The main argument for having a ~/config/non-packaged instead of a ~/config/packaged is that almost all software people use will be packaged. Therefore it is just consequent to keep the paths of the majority of installed software short and convenient. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Thomas Mueller)

Thu, 2015-02-19 22:45
2015-02-17 16:49 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Beatty easyegoism@xxxxxxxxx: Absurd argument. I'm not a developer of Linux, although I use it all the time, and I put scripts and binaries wherever I please quite frequently. Kacpeer Kasper responded: Absurd as well. By non-developers Augustin meant people who do not develop SOFTWARE, not just Haiku. If you do that, you're either software developer or power user, and both in my opinion do not fit the definition of end user we are talking about here. ...
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