Camera Application and others
If Haiku is to be a reimplementation of BeOS R5, then where is the Camera application? Back in 2000, BeOS R5 had limited support for certain Nikon, Olympus, Polaroid and Kodak cameras.
Currently, if I need to take a photo of a KDL on my monitor, I need to boot another PC and offload the photograph in Windows before I can attach it to a report in bug tracker.
My particular camera (Canon Powershot SD1000), when connected to a USB port is not recognised by Haiku. Are tthere plans to include this application,and will it have support for at least one major camera manufacturer?
CodyCam, which is included as part of the Haiku bundled applications recognizes only a very few webcams. My 10 year old Creative NX Pro, like the Canon camera, is not detected by Haiku. Haiku really needs to imlement support for at least one major mainstream webcam manufacturers, such as Logitech or Creative. Apparently it does support Sonix clones. However, those are not listed in the top ten of the worlds webcam manufacturers.
CDBurner Application. BeOS R5 had a bundled CD burning application. CD burning in Haiku still has to be done from the command line. Unfortunately, even that is not working since Alpha 4.1. Apparently one of the GCI students was successful in porting the latest revision to Haiku (3.01a25). I'm hoping it fixes the currently broken CDRTools package in the nightlies.
This post is not meant as a criticism, but an observation of missing, incomplete, or non-functional applications bundled in Haiku.
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About CD Burner application: currently, there is a recipe for (the historical) BurnItNow (which I guess should be available soon in Haiku Depot), is not very complete in terms of features, but does honestly the job :-)
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Your camera doesn't behave as mass storage!? You can probably enable that on your camera and it will just show up as a flash disk android phones can do this as well. "Supporting" cameras specifically is a lost cause...
In any case most people I know pull out thier SD card put it in thier computer and copy the photos off that way... its prety simple. Supporting cameras with a special driver has pretty much gone the way of the dodo.
It would be cool though if there were a Haiku app that could connect to my Canon G16 via wifi that would be awesome I'm not sure if they use a standards based protocol though.
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The Canon is not recognized as a mass storage device. If I do a "listusb" it appears in the list as /dev/bus/usb/1/0/5 "Canon Inc.". It does not appear in Drive Setup, Devices, nor in the tracker mount options.
My Sony HDR-TG5V is mounted automatically after connecting it to a USB port and selecting "USB connect" in the camera menu. I suppose I could use the Sony from now on for KDL photos.
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This app should do it. https://github.com/HaikuArchives/PhotoGrabber
I does need some TLC though, as it hasn't seen major development since 2008/2009. (If we ignore a couple of bug fixes in 2010)
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Photograbber is available on Haikuware (http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/multimedia/graphics/digital-...) and works, you may consider using it together with an enhanced BDCP plugin (http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/multimedia/graphics/digital-...) for faster transfers, image capture and mapping of some EXIF data to BFS attributes.
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This is a standard protocol over USB and could, in theory, be implemented as a filesystem in Haiku.
CodyCam itself is working, the problem is down in low levels of the USB stack where some features are missing (namely support for USB isosynchronous transfers) which makes it impossible to write drivers for most webcams, including the standard UVC ones (USB Video Class) which is what recent hardware uses. This is yet one more missing thing for R1, indeed, and there is already a ticket about it.
Are you sure there was a CD Burner app in a plain BeOS R5.0.3 install? Beware, a lot of people remember things from the BeOS MaxEd or DevEd which actually weren't part of BeOS itself. We will be providing some CD burning apps as packages in any case (BurnItNow was mentionned, but there is also a recipe for Lava and a few other alternatives).
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[quote=PulkoMandy]
Are you sure there was a CD Burner app in a plain BeOS R5.0.3 install? Beware, a lot of people remember things from the BeOS MaxEd or DevEd which actually weren't part of BeOS itself. We will be providing some CD burning apps as packages in any case (BurnItNow was mentionned, but there is also a recipe for Lava and a few other alternatives).
I'm positive there was a bundled CD burning application in BeOS R.5 as well as in "Dano". In fact, I had BeOS R5 installed on an old dual Pentium II as recently as this past spring.
Many contemporary articles of the day talk about it:
http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/13-beos_5/
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2000/06/beosr5/
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The app in the ArsTechnica picture is audio CD burner 'CD Manager' by Marcus Overhagen. He drops into the Haiku dev mailing list a couple of times a year. I not sure of the code's status.
There is BurnItNow as mentioned (in fact it has been forked and there is both a normal version and a remix version). Open source.
There is the app Helios for CD-R/Ws. Now open source.
There is the app Melt for iso files. Open source.
Then there is the QBA app which is written in yab. Looks to be a clone of the windows app imgburn. Open source.
Also there is the said app Lava. Open source.
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CDBurner app was bundled only in BeOS Exp/Dan0
Edit: Oops, my bad. I remember it wrong it seems :) CDBurner was bundled since R5 after all.
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The BeOS CD burner app and the image on Haikuware of the CD Manager app clearly are showing the same app. Could someone check the app CD Manager on Haikuware to see if some accidentally used the wrong image? I only have access to an Android tablet right now.
http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/utilities/cd-dvd-recording/c...
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It's the wrong image. I have used both in the past and the one shown as "CDManager" on Haikuware is actually the bundled R5 app.
Somebody said that Helios is now open source. If so, that is good news. I remember when the Helios developer was planning to implement DVD burning in his app, just before Be went under, so it never happened. If this was up for a vote, Helios would be my choice.
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Supporting cameras with a special driver has pretty much gone the way of the dodo.
it hasn't. there are still tethering applications released by most major camera manufacturers, plugins for most major photo apps, and open source tethering apps as well (which tend to fill in the gaps of those cameras whose manufacturers have stopped making tethering software available (i.e. pentax)). tethering is incredibly useful in studio photography, especially for digital medium & large format cameras.
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You can try this and report back:
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The enhanced version works like a charm with both my Sony HDR-TG5V (MSC) and Canon SD1000 (PTP), at least for still photographs. On the Canon, thumbnails were shown for both .JPG and .AVI files. However, on the Sony, only still photographs had thumbnails. The Sony records video in AVCHD format (.MTS) and is apparently not supported.
Still, this is so much better than booting into Windows every time I need to upload a KDL photo to bugtracker.
I did experience a few crashes. So, where do I report these, and any suggestions for future enhancements to this app? I think it is a viable replacement for the bundled BeOS R5 camera app and should be included as such in Haiku.
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Probably on Haikuware itself
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[quote=vidrep]The enhanced version works like a charm with both my Sony HDR-TG5V (MSC) and Canon SD1000 (PTP),
I tried the new (Dec. 22, 2014) enhanced version of the BDCP plugin tonight, but now the MSC plugin is missing from the PhotoGrabber selection list.