FLTK port (was "Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku")

Forum thread started by gduarte on Wed, 2012-05-02 16:44

The idea now is to port FLTK to Haiku. Someone interested?

www.fltk.org

I thought about porting the branch 1.3.

Best regards,
Gabriel

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Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by cb88 - 2012-05-02 17:12

There is already a work in progress package management system for Haiku. You should probably look into that if you want to help.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by gduarte - 2012-05-02 20:48

I talked to the guys at the Haikus ports mailing list, and seems that's is better to give up from this idea, since Haiku already has a package management systems useful.

I really would like to port something useful to Haiku. I have been wondering of porting FLTK in order of having more alternatives for GUI programming.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by franz1789 - 2012-05-02 21:55

What about telepathy? it would be a great app to port..

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by cb88 - 2012-05-02 22:11

I think an FLTK port would be awesome :)

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by Giova84 - 2012-05-03 00:35
gduarte wrote:

I really would like to port something useful to Haiku.

Why not porting Calligra or another office app? Haiku has no office apps available/functional (Gobe and Abiword are extremely out-of-date and doesn't working).

Just my two cents.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by Mynameisasquirrel - 2012-05-03 01:32

Well...my criticism of adding deb package management is that it's debian's package management system. I mean you can port it, don't get me wrong but at least have the courtesy to rename it .Hk or something like that.

Of course on the other hand it's convenient to install .debs because their so popular, in which lies the conundrum.

Convenience vs Originality. What is more important?

Expect massive software errors though. Especially with the newer Ubuntu debs that have have plenty of dependencies.

I think that it would be nice to have a single package format that is cross platform and stable.

I think that's what Zero-install was meant to be. Except Zero-install was a security risk.
So something more secure then Zero-install but maintaining Zero install's cross platform potential would be incredibly nice.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by gduarte - 2012-05-03 05:23

I do not know so much about Telepaphy, but Haiku does not have a way to access the type of services like Telepaphy?

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by gduarte - 2012-05-03 05:25

If I'm not wrong, you can use the KOffice suite from the Qt port, not?

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by gduarte - 2012-05-03 05:29
cb88 wrote:

I think an FLTK port would be awesome :)

Do you know someone interested in doing it? FLTK was the first graphical toolkit I've learned, because one of the developers worked with me and I found it amazing, because you can prototype a small and useful app in few hours, without the burocracy of Qt and others. I would love to port it to Haiku!

There is some place here where can I post proposition of projects?

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by gduarte - 2012-05-03 05:31
Mynameisasquirrel wrote:

Well...my criticism of adding deb package management is that it's debian's package management system. I mean you can port it, don't get me wrong but at least have the courtesy to rename it .Hk or something like that.

Of course on the other hand it's convenient to install .debs because their so popular, in which lies the conundrum.

Convenience vs Originality. What is more important?

Expect massive software errors though. Especially with the newer Ubuntu debs that have have plenty of dependencies.

I think that it would be nice to have a single package format that is cross platform and stable.

I think that's what Zero-install was meant to be. Except Zero-install was a security risk.
So something more secure then Zero-install but maintaining Zero install's cross platform
potential would be incredibly nice.

I agree, but Debian Package Management System is just a convention, the name can change, like on the Fink project, used in Mac OS/X, uses the Debian tools integrated to him to manage packages, and has its own name.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by Giova84 - 2012-05-03 15:55
gduarte wrote:

If I'm not wrong, you can use the KOffice suite from the Qt port, not?

After Haiku Alpha2 stage, KOffice port no longer works, and i remember the fact that KOffice port on Haiku was unstable and very buggy!

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by drcouzelis - 2012-05-04 18:58

My plan is to port a simple library from Linux to Haiku and make a native Haiku GUI application with it.

For example, use libtransmission and make a new bittorrent GUI for Haiku.

Or (more simple) make a GUI for youtube-dl or clive to easily download YouTube videos.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by Giova84 - 2012-05-04 21:44

Hi,

There are already several solution for Youtube: UberTuber: http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/entertainment/internet-netwo... YAVTD: http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/multimedia/video/miscellaneo... and XvideoServiceThief: http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/internet-network/clients/xvi... this can download videos from a lot of video websites.

For Bittorent there is Qbittorrent: its GUI is not bad at all :-) Ok, is a QT app, but for now, may be okay!
http://s17.postimage.org/selxa1tm5/Qbittorrent.jpg

Best regards.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by marcoapc - 2012-05-05 15:25

View http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/zooey/2011-01-08_package_management_first_d...

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by franz1789 - 2012-05-05 15:52

Never saw an app in Haiku to connect to Gtalk, WLM, IRC, Jabber, Facebook Chat and so on.. (perhaps there's one for IRC and jabber, but a multi-protocol software would be nice..

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by mmadia - 2012-05-05 16:18

http://haikuware.com/directory/view-details/internet-network/chat-irc/ca...

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by Giova84 - 2012-05-05 17:05

There's also PSI+ (Jabber Client), with a lot of services (thanks to various jabber server):

http://postimage.org/image/ux5qhmu7b/

and according to the jabber server that you choose, you can also have Twitter, Skype, and a lot of various services:
http://postimage.org/image/bpgaw4ovx/

I'm also using Caya, but at the moment is in prealpha-stage and crash often.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by cb88 - 2012-05-05 20:05

Transmission already has a Native GUI ... it might need updating though.

Re: Port Debian Package Management System to Haiku

by gduarte - 2012-05-11 16:19

Ok, let's port FLTK to Haiku? I gave up from the Debian package management tool :)

Re: FLTK port (was "Port Debian Package Management System to ...

by cb88 - 2012-05-11 20:26

Indeed, maybe then dillo can be ported it has gotten a bit better recentley I like alot of what the dillo win32 port did with removing broken dpi plugins.

Re: FLTK port (was "Port Debian Package Management System to ...

by gduarte - 2012-05-12 13:01

Volunteers?

Re: FLTK port (was "Port Debian Package Management System to ...

by drcouzelis - 2012-05-14 16:52

What is your goal in porting FLTK 1.3?

Is there an FLTK application that you would like to run on Haiku? Dillo was mentioned. How does the speeed and functionality of Dillo compare to WebPositive? CinePaint uses FLTK, but I don't know if any other libraries would need to be ported before it would be able to compile on Haiku.

An FLTK application on Haiku would look non-native, correct?

FLTK is a C++ API, like Haiku has a C++ API. Is there a benefit to learning the FLTK API instead of the Haiku API?

I don't want to discourage you from developing for Haiku. Haiku could use many new software developers and applications. I just don't want you to work very hard without seeing results, or get burned out. :)

Re: FLTK port (was "Port Debian Package Management System to ...

by gduarte - 2012-05-15 12:56
drcouzelis wrote:

What is your goal in porting FLTK 1.3?

Is there an FLTK application that you would like to run on Haiku? Dillo was mentioned. How does the speeed and functionality of Dillo compare to WebPositive? CinePaint uses FLTK, but I don't know if any other libraries would need to be ported before it would be able to compile on Haiku.

An FLTK application on Haiku would look non-native, correct?

FLTK is a C++ API, like Haiku has a C++ API. Is there a benefit to learning the FLTK API instead of the Haiku API?

I don't want to discourage you from developing for Haiku. Haiku could use many new software developers and applications. I just don't want you to work very hard without seeing results, or get burned out. :)

I think that the big deal here is to try to bring more apps to Haiku and give more options than just the Haiku's API for GUI development. We could create native look for FLTK in order of having an app that looks like native. With FLTK, we got Fluid, where you can prototype and compile applications rapidly. Some people are already used to use FLTK, what could incentivate them to port their apps to Haiku instead of learning Haiku's API to port them.

Re: FLTK port (was "Port Debian Package Management System to ...

by sepisoad - 2012-12-28 09:20

I believe porting FLTK to haiku is a big win, first of all it is small and fast compared to other GUI libraries and secondly using it makes your application portable, while Haiku API is only for Haiku, so for many rewriting an application (with Haiku API) to work under Haiku just don't make sence

Re: FLTK port (was "Port Debian Package Management System to ...

by Karvjorm - 2012-12-30 12:37

There is also an FLTK port for Symbian S60. It is pure C++ http://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-s60/?source=dlp. Anyway, after Nokia dumped Symbian operating system there can be former Symbian developers available for the task.