I have consider to buy new computer just for Haiku OS, but i dont wanna buy it before Haiku Beta is released. So my simple question is when Haiku Beta might be released ?
It looks as though it will be early (well, first half anyway) of next year, I hope. Currently they are feature complete for the beta, but there are some critical bugs that need to be fixed first (less than 5 or 10 IIRC).
I don't think they are actually in release mode yet, there was some disagreement on how to go about freezing the code base for bug fixes before proceeding, etc. Meanwhile new features continue to be added... when the feature freeze/bug fixing/testing phase begins (that they normally do before each release) you can be sure that the release is coming soon (1-3 months, depending on the date set at the start of the freeze).
Maybe they are waiting for the server side of the package management to be completed, with automated building of packages, before they really consider it feature complete for the beta. This is very close, as I understand it.
Beta and R1 will both be x86_gcc2 (gcc2 hybrid) meaning that they have both gcc2 and gcc4 compilers and can run gcc2 and gcc4 apps. The kernel and system add-ons are all gcc2.
I always assumed that Beta 1 marked the point of feature completeness for R1 and no new code would be added except for security and bug fixes for existing code. If the devs continue to add new and potentially buggy code after beta 1, then R1 will stretch into infinity.
That is what will happen. New features are being added currently because the beta feature freeze point has not been reached. They will not add new features to the beta after release, just stabilise it for the R1 release. But features will continue to be added to the R2 branch. Currently the team do not appear to have agreed on exactly how this will work...
Maybe some Haiku OS fans will buy new hardware around christmas.
So it might be interesting on which well defined hardware Haiku beta
intends to run. Is there a modern reference hardware configuration?
A nice application for someone to write (GCI?) would be a system tester that checks and benchmarks various parts of the system, like SiSandra on Windows.
CPU speed
Graphics speed
Audio check
Disk benchmark
Wifi access/speed
Network access/speed
Camcorder
Etc...
Too bad that some of the very best apps for BeOS were closed source, such as Adamation PersonalStudio, GoBe Software Productive, or even OmicronSoft BeRometer. After 15 years is the source code even available? Is it now considered abandonware? Could the legal status be reviewed so development be picked up again for Haiku?
I have been tracking the authors of Adamation but have not been able to locate them yet. We do have the source to GoBe Productive but it cannot be open sourced because it has some proprietary source code in it. It is also a huge amount of code and would require many man-months to port it.
Sorry my answer took so long. I have plan to build desktop PC, so i just want to wait beta so i can make my PC as good as possible(i mean compatibility). Btw is it possible/wise to make program that scan all your computer parts and send those to somewhere, so coders can pick up most popupar/used parts and make driver for those to get more drivers ?
Perhaps the Librem 15 laptop would be a great choice for a Haiku computer! It is able to run fully open source Linux distro, Trisquel with no proprietary software needed! Would Haiku Beta 1 or Release 1 be able to run on this beast?
can't wait for the beta. looking forward to it. one issue I have. I understand that the only thing available currently is the alpha edition, and I'm sure some things will be changed or added to the beta build between now and then, but in any case I know there are those who for whatever reason do not like adobes flash player, but haiku is based off of beos, which back in the day was one of the most advanced multimedia systems, and people are acessing all kinds of multimedia content online nowadays, flash included. my point is, with haiku os I have trouble in some cases accessing even basic multimedia content. I also have blu-ray files on my harddrive.those won't playback properly either. I would like to make haiku os one of my full time systems, but until these issues are resolved and I can have access to a good browser with descent plugins to solve some of these problems I just don't see how.these are just basic things ANY os should be able to handle out of the box. I really hope these issues are resolved in the beta edition.
can't wait for the beta. looking forward to it. one issue I have. I understand that the only thing available currently is the alpha edition, and I'm sure some things will be changed or added to the beta build between now and then, but in any case I know there are those who for whatever reason do not like adobes flash player, but haiku is based off of beos, which back in the day was one of the most advanced multimedia systems, and people are acessing all kinds of multimedia content online nowadays, flash included. my point is, with haiku os I have trouble in some cases accessing even basic multimedia content. I also have blu-ray files on my harddrive.those won't playback properly either. I would like to make haiku os one of my full time systems, but until these issues are resolved and I can have access to a good browser with descent plugins to solve some of these problems I just don't see how.these are just basic things ANY os should be able to handle out of the box. I really hope these issues are resolved in the beta edition.
I wouldn't ever expect to see Adobe Flash under Haiku as they stopped supporting Linux years ago so why should they support Haiku? GNASH - maybe.
What I miss the in current Haiku browsers is support for HTML5 video. I expected this to work as it works under ARM Linux etc. but neither WebPositive nor Qupzilla seem to be able to handle HTML5 video yet.
I just now watched an HTML5 youtube video (Canto do Amanhecer, Carlos Paredes) via WebPositive. It didn't go real smoothly - various rendering glitches, it seemed to be running at a very slow frame rate, attempt to go back and see if his accompanist really goofed a passage seems to have hung up the works - but the audio was OK and there was video after a fashion. This is r48962, and I think this level of support goes back at least several months before that, haven't been keeping track.
I may have pepper flash crossed with Adobe flash, but what I'm referring to is being able to watch streaming video in the Web browser. Something like the live stream from sites such as twit.tv
Considering haiku os is based on a distro that was known for its multimedia capabilities this kind of thing should just be basic. And I can't even playback blu-ray files stored on my hd. Really? I'm supposed to be excited about this? I am just really hoping all this is fixed in the beta edition. And I'm really hoping to see the beta maybe SOMETIME IN MY LIFETIME PLEASE. Not trying to be mean here. Just saying
There was a regression in the ffmpeg decoder package that currently prevents the playback of many HD formats and possibly affects YouTube video as well. Try any revision from 48269 through 48462 for a working build.
Hi,
You don't have to stick to the alpha version, you can get nightly builds from http://download.haiku-os.org. These should be rather close to what will be in the beta version, with maybe more bugs.
If you find things that doesn't work as they should in these builds, you can open bug reports at http://dev.haiku-os.org. If you don't take the time to do this, it is less likely that the bugs will be fixed.
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Re: Haiku Beta
It looks as though it will be early (well, first half anyway) of next year, I hope. Currently they are feature complete for the beta, but there are some critical bugs that need to be fixed first (less than 5 or 10 IIRC).
I don't think they are actually in release mode yet, there was some disagreement on how to go about freezing the code base for bug fixes before proceeding, etc. Meanwhile new features continue to be added... when the feature freeze/bug fixing/testing phase begins (that they normally do before each release) you can be sure that the release is coming soon (1-3 months, depending on the date set at the start of the freeze).
Maybe they are waiting for the server side of the package management to be completed, with automated building of packages, before they really consider it feature complete for the beta. This is very close, as I understand it.
Re: Haiku Beta
What nightly should I be using to be on track with the beta? From what I understand it will be gcc4 or gcc4 hybrid based..
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Beta and R1 will both be x86_gcc2 (gcc2 hybrid) meaning that they have both gcc2 and gcc4 compilers and can run gcc2 and gcc4 apps. The kernel and system add-ons are all gcc2.
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I always assumed that Beta 1 marked the point of feature completeness for R1 and no new code would be added except for security and bug fixes for existing code. If the devs continue to add new and potentially buggy code after beta 1, then R1 will stretch into infinity.
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That is what will happen. New features are being added currently because the beta feature freeze point has not been reached. They will not add new features to the beta after release, just stabilise it for the R1 release. But features will continue to be added to the R2 branch. Currently the team do not appear to have agreed on exactly how this will work...
Re: Haiku Beta
What kind of PC are you considering? laptop or desktop? What sort of activities do you expect to run on haiku?
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Maybe some Haiku OS fans will buy new hardware around christmas.
So it might be interesting on which well defined hardware Haiku beta
intends to run. Is there a modern reference hardware configuration?
Re: Haiku Beta
I am not aware of a reference platform, but in my experience Lenovo laptops are very compatible with Haiku, whereas Dells are not.
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A nice application for someone to write (GCI?) would be a system tester that checks and benchmarks various parts of the system, like SiSandra on Windows.
CPU speed
Graphics speed
Audio check
Disk benchmark
Wifi access/speed
Network access/speed
Camcorder
Etc...
Re: Haiku Beta
There used to be an app for BeOS that did benchmarking called "BeRometer". I still have it on one of by old BeOS archive CD.
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Here's a copy on Haikuware. Looks like we need an updated version.
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Too bad that some of the very best apps for BeOS were closed source, such as Adamation PersonalStudio, GoBe Software Productive, or even OmicronSoft BeRometer. After 15 years is the source code even available? Is it now considered abandonware? Could the legal status be reviewed so development be picked up again for Haiku?
Re: Haiku Beta
I have been tracking the authors of Adamation but have not been able to locate them yet. We do have the source to GoBe Productive but it cannot be open sourced because it has some proprietary source code in it. It is also a huge amount of code and would require many man-months to port it.
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Sorry my answer took so long. I have plan to build desktop PC, so i just want to wait beta so i can make my PC as good as possible(i mean compatibility). Btw is it possible/wise to make program that scan all your computer parts and send those to somewhere, so coders can pick up most popupar/used parts and make driver for those to get more drivers ?
Re: Haiku Beta
A hardware compatibility reporting app has been sitting on the back burner for a while now.
There is an upublished GCI2014 task for an app, but not many students took up app writing tasks.
There might be a new subproject starting up this year that will be looking into this type of extra app stuff.
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A hardware compatibility reporting app has been sitting on the back burner for a while now.
There is an upublished GCI2014 task for an app, but not many students took up app writing tasks.
There might be a new subproject starting up this year that will be looking into this type of extra app stuff.
There is a Linux one that may be worth looking at, called 'inxi'.
https://code.google.com/p/inxi/
Re: Haiku Beta
Perhaps the Librem 15 laptop would be a great choice for a Haiku computer! It is able to run fully open source Linux distro, Trisquel with no proprietary software needed! Would Haiku Beta 1 or Release 1 be able to run on this beast?
https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop
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Would Haiku Beta 1 or Release 1 be able to run on this beast?
Judging by the specs, yes, Haiku should work very well on that laptop right now. :)
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Can't wait for the Beta.
Are we there yet....... :)
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can't wait for the beta. looking forward to it. one issue I have. I understand that the only thing available currently is the alpha edition, and I'm sure some things will be changed or added to the beta build between now and then, but in any case I know there are those who for whatever reason do not like adobes flash player, but haiku is based off of beos, which back in the day was one of the most advanced multimedia systems, and people are acessing all kinds of multimedia content online nowadays, flash included. my point is, with haiku os I have trouble in some cases accessing even basic multimedia content. I also have blu-ray files on my harddrive.those won't playback properly either. I would like to make haiku os one of my full time systems, but until these issues are resolved and I can have access to a good browser with descent plugins to solve some of these problems I just don't see how.these are just basic things ANY os should be able to handle out of the box. I really hope these issues are resolved in the beta edition.
Re: Haiku Beta
can't wait for the beta. looking forward to it. one issue I have. I understand that the only thing available currently is the alpha edition, and I'm sure some things will be changed or added to the beta build between now and then, but in any case I know there are those who for whatever reason do not like adobes flash player, but haiku is based off of beos, which back in the day was one of the most advanced multimedia systems, and people are acessing all kinds of multimedia content online nowadays, flash included. my point is, with haiku os I have trouble in some cases accessing even basic multimedia content. I also have blu-ray files on my harddrive.those won't playback properly either. I would like to make haiku os one of my full time systems, but until these issues are resolved and I can have access to a good browser with descent plugins to solve some of these problems I just don't see how.these are just basic things ANY os should be able to handle out of the box. I really hope these issues are resolved in the beta edition.
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For all the time and money spent, I would have rather have had a multimedia package than the package manager . . .
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Waiting for an alternative to install wi-fi firmware offline without script...and fixes in HDA driver
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kevinc:
I wouldn't ever expect to see Adobe Flash under Haiku as they stopped supporting Linux years ago so why should they support Haiku? GNASH - maybe.
What I miss the in current Haiku browsers is support for HTML5 video. I expected this to work as it works under ARM Linux etc. but neither WebPositive nor Qupzilla seem to be able to handle HTML5 video yet.
Re: Haiku Beta
I just now watched an HTML5 youtube video (Canto do Amanhecer, Carlos Paredes) via WebPositive. It didn't go real smoothly - various rendering glitches, it seemed to be running at a very slow frame rate, attempt to go back and see if his accompanist really goofed a passage seems to have hung up the works - but the audio was OK and there was video after a fashion. This is r48962, and I think this level of support goes back at least several months before that, haven't been keeping track.
Re: Haiku Beta
I may have pepper flash crossed with Adobe flash, but what I'm referring to is being able to watch streaming video in the Web browser. Something like the live stream from sites such as twit.tv
Considering haiku os is based on a distro that was known for its multimedia capabilities this kind of thing should just be basic. And I can't even playback blu-ray files stored on my hd. Really? I'm supposed to be excited about this? I am just really hoping all this is fixed in the beta edition. And I'm really hoping to see the beta maybe SOMETIME IN MY LIFETIME PLEASE. Not trying to be mean here. Just saying
Re: Haiku Beta
There was a regression in the ffmpeg decoder package that currently prevents the playback of many HD formats and possibly affects YouTube video as well. Try any revision from 48269 through 48462 for a working build.
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Hello all
thanks to everyone for all the helpful information posted here. I have been using the nightly builds, but
I'm moving forward and taking the advice of vidrep and using some of the other builds as you listed.
Thanks for the info on that one. I'll give one of them a shot and cross my fingers.
I'm with you xwolfe. I would have rather seen a good multimedia package.
To all the developers, I'm sure there have been a few times here where I have sounded like a jerk.
I would like to apologize for that, it was not my intent to come off that way. I'm just anxious to see
this go beta so I can start using this as my full time system, and there are so many things I would like
to use this for including 24 bit audio, streaming netflix and of course my blu-rays. Maybe I've been a
little spoiled by how quickly things advance in linux. I'm ready to start using this full time, and at the
same time I want to see it done right, but I hope I haven't been too much of a jerk here, and if I have I
offer my apologies