Name Suggestion for native Haiku Web Browser

Forum thread started by philcostin on Fri, 2009-03-13 10:18

I saw recently that some developers had expressed an interest in creating a native web browser for Haiku and it got me thinking about names...

How does NetPoetry or NetPoetic sound?

I'm kind of new to Haiku and BeOS and maybe you guys have some better ideas, (or have already chosen what you would like to call it) - so this is really just a brainstorming thread.

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rossi wrote:

I personally do not like Tranquility to much ... the word is to close to tranquilizer, which is a actually a group name for certain types of (prescription) drugs. See Tranquilizers

That is pretty simple: both words come from the same latin root, tranquillus, which means calm. Tranquilizers are meant to calm people, and tranquility is the state of being calm. I don't think it is a big deal.

Serenity is a synonym to tranquility, and while not a bad name, it was also a movie a few years ago. While I really enjoyed the movie and the TV show it came from (Firefly), I would prefer not to use that name.

While I do appreciate all the suggestions here, and there have been several good ones, I am pretty set on the name Tranquility. As the primary developer, I think I get first priority in naming my software :)

Though anyone who makes a major code contribution during its development certainly will have a say as well. And maybe for some reason Tranquility will turn out to be an unusable name (Firefox had two previous names before that name was kept, Phoenix and Firebird.) If that happens I will certainly revisit this thread and look at all the names again.

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what about Sakura it is the Japanese name for cherry trees and their blossoms
there is more about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_blossom

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Give it up, Ryan. You won't stop this thread. :)

At least the suggestions give any developer an inspiration if he wants to name any app anything. That's the bright side of generic names. I prefer to have an at least hinted connection to the type of app, but that's just me. In the end it's the usability of the app that counts. When's the beta coming out, Ryan? ;)

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How about the word "Meme", as in "an internet meme"!!!

It would go well with the word haiku..

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My proposal:

-Tanuki, the racoon dog, is used to trick humans using a leaf

-SurfBird, but I prefer its Italian vulgar name ,"Piro-Piro", it sounds so japanese

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gif wrote:

Surfer would be really cool. The name has to communicate the function, has to sound cool, easy to remember (and therefore the name has to be bound to the function too), and as plain as possible. A simple word, nothing else.
Personally I don't prefer the Web or Net prefix, it's already overused, and makes the product sound unprofessional, so from a marketing viewpoint, I highly recommend to drop that idea.

While a Haiku needs not be poetic, and a senryu is surely not, would a "Moon Night Surfer" or "Moon light Surfer", with the purity, clarity, lightness, tranquility and tenderness of the moon night add to the enjoyment when one tries to catch the wave.

Like IE, the Moonlight Surfer could be abbreviated to "CS", with the "C" shaping like the moon and carrying its connotation of GCC.

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simonwong wrote:

...would a "Moon Night Surfer" or "Moon light Surfer", with the purity, clarity, lightness, tranquility and tenderness of the moon night add to the enjoyment when one tries to catch the wave.

That is kind of poetic. +1 :)

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simonwong wrote:

While a Haiku needs not be poetic, and a senryu is surely not, would a "Moon Night Surfer" or "Moon light Surfer", with the purity, clarity, lightness, tranquility and tenderness of the moon night add to the enjoyment when one tries to catch the wave.

Like IE, the Moonlight Surfer could be abbreviated to "CS", with the "C" shaping like the moon and carrying its connotation of GCC.

I really like the thought put into this, but I see a few problems. Firstly, Moon light Surfer is a very long name. I may be too biased here, but if someone told me to go download some software called "Moon light Surfer" I would be a bit hesitant. (I know being native, this wouldn't need ot be downloaded, but still...) As for the name, the CS once again works theoretically, but the C really has nothing to do with the moon other than its shape. If "Moon" started with a "C" then it would be perfect. But I think "CS" representing "Moon light Surfer" would cause confusion. I know this all sounds a bit harsh, but I promise that's not my intent.

As for the whole Net- and Web- names, I feel they're a bit.. Cliche. They're used way too much. While this isn't always a bad thing, it sounds like something my grandmother would be looking for. Like I said, not bad, but certainly not "trendy". Haiku goes by a very crisp, clean, refreshing feel. I feel something like NetVoyager just doesn't fit.

I'd like to compromise a bit in these two I've mentioned. Firstly, Moonlight Surfer. I like the thought put into its name, I just think that in the end, it looks clunky. So, keeping the theme but changing the name, I'm thinking something along the lines of Luna (Latin for moon). It's clean, simple, and people will remember it. As for the NetVoyager.. I understand the nostalgia value there, but if this is going to be successful out of its niche, most people aren't going to recognize the "NetPositive" reference. Just "Voyager" would be better, in my mind.

Tranquility is very good. I also like Kumo (Or "Haikumo" in my mind...) Now, for my own ideas...

- Prose instead of NetProse (could be Prose+ for the reference, but I don't know about the "PP" abbreviation that might spawn)
- Along with the Latin theme, I was thinking Terra (World)
- There's always "Haiway" a la "Highway/Information Super-highway"
- Eternity / NEternity

Then again, we could always go with "NetNegative", "Deodorant", or "Spatula". But I suggest you take my other options more seriously.

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My proposal:

  • Cosmos
  • World (or The World)
  • Nature
  • Buro
  • Galaxy

Sorry if repeated.

Re: Name Suggestion for native Haiku Web Browser

Tranquility seems a bit too much a typical English word, i.e. not that accessible or directly associative to people with another native language, even when they already know the meaning.

And speaking for myself, I also think it's a bit too far from the browsing action and (thus) tasting a bit too much of marketing.

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Meanwhile wrote:

Tranquility seems a bit too much a typical English word, i.e. not that accessible or directly associative to people with another native language, even when they already know the meaning.

There are countless examples of software with names that do not associate with the function of the software. Just in the browser market alone we have Opera, Firefox, Epiphany and Chrome (though the latter is sort of a browser developer inside joke.) Fairly quickly people learn what these names mean and associate them with the software, and tend to forget the original meaning.

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And speaking for myself, I also think it's a bit too far from the browsing action and (thus) tasting a bit too much of marketing.

Names always have an element of marketing in them. I hope this software makes browsing the web a smooth, fast and fun process and just stays out of the user's way, and I think the name reflects that.

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Indeed, Tranquility kind of follows the path Linux folks took by choosing the name Epiphany.

I can assure you that from the mentioned examples of Epiphany, Opera, Firefox and Chrome, Epiphany is the weakest for non-native speakers (I'm one of them).
The other names still offer a comprehensible, strong, pleasant and broad enough 'palette' of other associations to this group of people.

For example Chrome is good, everybody loves shiny things, chrome keeps out rust, signifies newness and so on.

Opera visually is the impressive highpoint in a solo brought with much skill, emotion, tonal perfection and theatre filling volume.

With Firefox it's even easier: probably anything with 'fire' in it is ferocious and the whole world knows the fox as a shrewd animal.

And Epiphany? I'm not ashamed to admit I even had to look up its meaning.

The more universal word for tranquil could be 'peace', consider what an instant ring that word has around the world! (Mind you, I'm not saying 'Peace' would be a good name for a browser here...)

What I also don't like is the reinforcement Tranquility has of the Japanese/Eastern/Zen cliché visual image of 'the old monk meditating alone in his remote ancient temple surrounded by mountains shredded in morning fog' etc...

When you look at Haiku's themselves, they can be funny, disquieting, deeply human, honest, sad, joyful and a lot more...

What tranquility does have to do with Haiku's is that Haiku's probably are born in a tranquil environment...but that's a secondary association to their actual content and character.
This secondary aspect of it leads to the marketing (in the bad, superficial sense of the word) taste of the name.

As a last remark: you talked about 'a smooth, fast and fun process'. I don't want to be word-picking but tranquil and fast aren't related per se, they can easily be each other's opposite as well.

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Is again "Haiku": Hyper Access to Information / Internet (and) Knowledge Unit. Though even I myself feel a "Unit" falls short of an apt reference.

And on occasions where differentiation has to be made between the OS and browser, call it HB, the Haiku browser.

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how about Aria Browser?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aria

easy to pronouce "Ah-ree-ah" descriptive hopefully of the browser we could expect on Haiku.

I can't find any reason not to use the name it isn't an obvious name like net-whatever web-etc which sound a bit 90's i guess heh...

oh there appears to he an API something to do with javascript called ARIA but I don't thing that would be of any concern to users http://wiki.codetalks.org/wiki/index.php/Web_2.0_Accessibility_with_WAI-ARIA_FAQ#What_is_ARIA_and_how_does_it_enable_accessible_JavaScript_widgets_today.3F

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On Be, "Stinger" first came to my mind. With a cup of Java I can further relaxed for inspiration: Is it a pleasure to taste a haiku with MEAD, the Haiku honey wine?

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I, as a Japanese, am afraid of the confusion of naming as well. "Haiku" is unique for sure but it should be the only word from Japanese in my opinion.

So my two cents is ... "Loom: Weave the Web". I know I'm bad at English. :p

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As everyone is insisting on Japanese words here what about.

Nakama - meaning colleague, comrade..

and for a login manager we could have the word "konichiwa" or an rss reader or daily comics reader called "ohayo" or a nightly backup tool called "kombanwa"

Is everything going to have Japanese names?

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I suggest the Japanese word "ensoku" meaning "excursion" (similar to Kiswahili "safari").

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+1 for Aria

I think Aria is actually a really great name. In general, I think that Haiku should use names from words/terms of artistic expression. If everything is a variation of Haiku, poem, or something japanese, we'd dilute the meaning and emotion of "Haiku". Further, this relatively open theme leaves room for creativity, while still creating an ecosystem for the brand.

+10 for Aria

Then again, to not follow my proposed them, I like:

Boulevard
Lantern
Pyramid

I like to think about the name holistically: Imagine it rendered into an icon, the page you see when you first run it, the whole thing.

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How about
1. WebJourney
2. NetJourney
3. eJourney(but that e reminds me of the "blue e")
4. NetScapade
5. WebNet

Just random suggestions :)!!

Regards
Amol

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If you want something about "journeys" then pick the word "densetsu"!! :)

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Haiku browser might be Webkit-based. Add some Haiku-related notion to it, like H...

WebHit or
webHit

It's a bit buzzwordy, self-containing and easy to say out loud - only two syllables.

It can also be abbreviated in a nice way - webH (a bit like Net+).

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I like H+ or Kimono.

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tranquility? serenity? pyramid? what? It should have something to do with browsing. Surfer, netSomething, webSomething, wanderer, marauder... just brainstorming. But definitely not something as abstract and unrelated as 'tranquility'.

Then why we don't just settle on 'Boredom'.

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I think we should keep out all usual or easy words for this kind of app (web, net, browser...)
It should be a short word, fresh and related with the sense of the OS if possible...
I like:

Zen
Kigo
Haiga (but is related better with images)
Renga

But of the easy names, I like:

Surfing or surfer

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I think WebSaylor would be a nice name for the native web browser in Haiku...

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How about Bikeshed?

;)

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brewin wrote:

How about Bikeshed?

That may just have been the best suggestion I've heard so far :D

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I think Tranquility is just about perfect. Wasn't it associated with the space program? (Other than the Sea of Tranquility.) That also suggests exploration, modern modes of transportation, scientific advancement, and (often serendipitous) discovery. Japanese culture values tranquility. Haiku is written to describe an instant in time, often a perfect moment, always evocative.
And here I was trying to work out something with Noh (traditional theatre). Add my vote for Tranquility.

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... it must be simple, direct, be associated with the net and its experience, better yet still if free of language obstacle.

:) >

That is. Call it "SmileGo" (with the "Go" in light accent), meaning sit down, smile, and go. (Alas, language barrier again.)

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....zeppelin.....webthunder.....webspider....netsurf...
....haikunet.....haikuweb.....weblight......haikutravel...
....webrally.....haikuroad.....webstar.....haikustar....
....netark.....webark.....netshark....nethorse....etc

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Foreshore

a nice place where you can relax, play and learn

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"Athena" as the Athena in "Athena and Arachne" of the weaving contest in the Greek myth, if it is well deserved and not too self-boosting.

http://larkascending.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/skillfully-spun-a-mighty-one/

and

http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/mmarassa/mythology/arachne.html

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When suggesting Kimono, I didn't mean to specifically advocate a Japanese naming convention. It just followed on from Silk while thinking of Haiku.

Whatever the eventual name, I suggest that it be examined as a prefix for "browser", as that is likely how it may be mentioned upon review. The "Tranquillity browser" is certainly evocative, but do consider that it may sound a bit metaphysical. I shudder to think what a "silk browser" might be mistaken for. Some odd clothier's apparatus? Or worse yet, a fetishist?

Google sort of nullifies this issue by prefixing so many of their apps with "Google". By the time we've said "Google Chrome", we can't be bothered to say browser. Neither, it seems, can the press. Look around. It happens, but not all that often.

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Well for one we'd have to come up with a name not already used ...

Like already pointed out Voyager is QNX's browser and we can't use NetSurf as that's the OSS for RISC-OS/Unix and has been ported to Haiku. I do like the idea of still being able to use the old surfing icon though. Kumo is what Microsoft is using for their new search initiative.

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Means to travel to WWW.

traveler

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lilienhain wrote:

I suggest the Japanese word "ensoku" meaning "excursion".

+1 I like it. It sounds cool and its simple.

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How about "stealing" the name NetOptimst? Couldn't someone contact the original developer and ask permission to use the name?

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Hmmm...
I think Kimono suits perfectly. "KimonoWeb".
But, if you want other suggestion, "Bitstream" is a cool name

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Verse.

Meaning "a line of poetry", and part of the word "universe". Simple, easy to remember (<-- very important), and easy to say (<-- also very important). I like Tranquillity, but it really doesn't roll off the tongue.

Tranquillity is defined as "a state of peacefulness; quiet and serene." Maybe Web 1.0 was tranquil, but that's not how I'd describe it now and probably even less so in the future. But hey, if you're coding it, then go for what you like.

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carboncanyon wrote:

Verse.

Meaning "a line of poetry", and part of the word "universe". Simple, easy to remember (<-- very important), and easy to say (<-- also very important). I like Tranquillity, but it really doesn't roll off the tongue.

Verse isn't bad, and I agree Tranquility does not roll off the tongue.

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Tranquillity is defined as "a state of peacefulness; quiet and serene." Maybe Web 1.0 was tranquil, but that's not how I'd describe it now and probably even less so in the future. But hey, if you're coding it, then go for what you like.

The name Tranquility was really more about what I hoped the browser experience to be, not necessarily about the web itself.

Though the name Tranquility is starting to lose it's luster, and at this point I don't care as much about the name as just coding the damn thing. Maybe once it is further along the name can be thought about some more. I may continue to use Tranquility as a code name, whether or not it becomes the final name.

In the meantime keep on coming up with ideas.

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I like "Verse". Or maybe "Stanza".

The Z might give it zazz!

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Oof! Maybe not. I just found an iPhone app called Stanza.

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Read the whole Suggestions and then try to recall them.

Easy to recall:
Silk, Kimono, KeyGo, Haiku Browser, HB, Haigo, Helium, Hay, Sushi, Surimi, Tiku, Tifu...

Difficult to recall:
Tranguilty, Serenity, Tranquilo, Webvoyager, passenger, explosives, crash...

Try it with a person who is not aware of Haiku and you will get much better results.

I like the Japanese names...
I dont like the ones with Web*** or ***++ or H***

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Tofu (hehe)

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Dear haikuers, Ryan, community.

Lots of good suggestions here, that's for sure. Obviosly a lot of people have given this a good deal of thought. I am therefore a bit embarassed to have stumbled upon the correct answer to the question without applying myself much at all. I was just struck by it when I read this thread. In other words; I know what the name is.

Before I divulge the secret, I would like to make a few observations:

A lot of people have suggested Japanese words. Most of which I have never heard before. Although Haiku is a Japanese word, I don't think we want to make Haiku a Japanese OS. Personally, I am very attracted to Japanese culture. But Haiku should not become an OS for orientalists. I agree with the comment from the Japanese gentleman, that "haiku" probably should be the only Japanese word in Haiku. Haiku should be international.

The really great thing about the word "Haiku" is that it is known all over the world. It's *not* simply a Japanese word. It has a reference in Norwegian dictionaries, for instance. It's something that a national culture has given to the international community. That's why it's such a good name!

It also has a bit of a "geek" feel to it, I think. But that might be just a "Be" thing. It certainly pays hommage to the original BeOS. But I have a feeling that the Be guys chose to make Net+ error messages haikus - because that was really geeky in the first place. Anyone knows?

There may be more words like this. Words that don't have to be translated. (Safari is such a word, I think, but it's taken.)From my own national culture, "Viking" and "Troll" are words that are widely known. Not that I'm suggesting the browser should be named "Troll"! ("Viking" could actually work, they were great navigators, but I'm not suggesting that either.)

But "Tranquility"? No. I'm sorry. Its meaning is something agreeable, but I would have to look it up in the dictionary, because I'm not English... British... American... Native Anglish Speaking...

Actually, finding genuinly English words that have that quality could prove to be difficult - *because* of English being the "lingua franca".

So - the name for the browser? (Ra-tatt-ta-tah!) It's "Mir".
It's the name of the first real multinational space station. (space-cyberspace?)
It means "world", "village" and "Peace".
It's in Russian, but it's widely known.
It's geeky!

I rest my case.

Klapaucius

Edit: Oh! And it would make a great icon too!

Klapaucius

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Klapaucius wrote:

So - the name for the browser? (Ra-tatt-ta-tah!) It's "Mir".
It's the name of the first real multinational space station. (space-cyberspace?)
It means "world", "village" and "Peace".
It's in Russian, but it's widely known.
It's geeky!

I rest my case.

Klapaucius

Edit: Oh! And it would make a great icon too!

Klapaucius

I like your approach. And I like your proposal, and not only because I am a Russian ;), it is also very capacious word.
/me vote for name "Mir".

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Funny: I had to look up "capacious".
I wonder about the meanings of "mir"...
Is "community" and "fellowship" also amongst the interpretations?
Glad that I have someone who agree with me.
Let's see what others say...

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Klapaucius wrote:

Is "community" and "fellowship" also amongst the interpretations?

Yep. ;)

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It should be written "MIP", probably...
(God! I think this is a really funny train of thoughts. I hope something comes out of it...)