ZevenOS & Haiku-DD-Installer

IIRC ZevenOs is a linux kernel with a BEOS decorator and some other weird emulation charecteristics. If you want the real haik experience, install haiku and have fun.

ZevenOS sought to bring the best features of the BEOS to Linux.

Its NOT a replacement for Haiku but rather a stand-in until Haiku is mature enough for everyday computing use.

Build around XFCE, it uses the Sawfish theme manager and makes changes to enable the deskbar to be run.

All the links can be edited through the MAGI2 control center with which its shipped.
The old Zeebar has now been deprecated and replaced by Docky which is easier to use and more flexible. Like in MacOSX, all the icons you use frequently can be dragged and dropped there.

Its really fun to use and helps you to understand BEOS even though its not really BEOS. But BEOS fans will enjoy ZevenOS!

JLG originally used this metaphor - in his case, the idea that his grandmother wouldn't "get lucky" at a night club even if you put her in lipstick and a leather skirt - about Windows (specifically Windows 98 I think), explaining that it wouldn't get any traction for multimedia work. Of course it utterly demolished his "BeOS" in the market and JLG was soon out of business

Michael Phipps made the pig joke about Linux at one of the failed and now largely forgotten "WalterCon" events. It was already a pretty hollow joke at that point, when Haiku was supposed to ship in a year or two.

The problem is that it's not funny to sneer at people who are working harder and achieving more. At best it looks like envy. The reformulation of Haiku as just a hobby project for some people who liked BeOS is a healthy thing.

Well, its not a citation JLG invented. BEOS failed becuase it didn't have a good enough marketing department. Flatly.

LOL, well i don't use the term becuase of micheal phipps. Behold I have used it to talk about a great many things and most of them before linux was a shit stain in Linux Torvalds unemployed underwear drawer.

envy first requires having something I would want, or anyone else for that matter. Linux has nothing I want. I have a job and I have money and I can afford to buy the things I like. Like new hardware and a new copy of a functional OS that actually lets me get work done. I could even afford a Mac if I choose to. I enjoy using haiku and its giving me a good oppurtunity to learn c and c++ programming.

I think before a linux shill starts carrying on about envy, the shill should realize that envy is a two way street.

Why are linux users always so bitter about windows and Mac, must be envy.

"BEOS failed becuase it didn't have a good enough marketing department. Flatly."

I would like to point out that Microsoft was convicted of anticompetitive trade practices against BeOS and paid $23M to settle the lawsuit. Microsoft threatened PC hardware manufacturers not to bundle BeOS. This also was a big factor.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Microsoft+Pays+$23m+to+Settle+BeOS+Antitrust+Suit.-a0107384535

they should have changed strategys and gotten aggresive in dealing with that issue. Radio spots, a tv commercial. There are ways to market products. Essentially thats what BE failed to do.

While I agree in principals that Microsoft did alot to keep BE out. Be should have been looking for alternative veneues.

Computing expos, tv ads, radio ads, etc.

The fact of the matter is that Be didn't do enough to get its name out there. If you randomly ask 10,000 people who BE computing was. They'd likely have no freaking idea. If you ask 10,000 people if they know what windows is. You'll get a much different answer.

this is a crux of the problem, even for linux. Name Recognition.

No one is saying its Haiku. It will never be. But it does offer a preview of the features a mature Haiku system would have: an editable Deskbar, a package manager, a drag and drop dock aka Mac OSX... I think that would be useful to have in Haiku in the future and and a GUI network setup that consists of an Advanced Drivers GUI database and a GUI Network menu for setting up wired and wireless connections.

The latest Haiku builds still lack these features. And on the Haiku wishlist are things like installing standard browsers, HTML5 and Flash support and Libre Office.

The Linux kernel has come a long way in the last twenty years and now includes advanced hardware support including driver support. For example, in Ubuntu and PCLOS, one no longer needs to fuss around with ndiswrapper... its just a matter of connecting to your wireless network with supplying the required information.

For Haiku fans, the real problem isn't that Linux doesn't do a very good job of supporting hardware - it does - the real problem with it is more that the way every thing is put together on top of the Linux kernel beginning with the X-Window manager system and various desktop environments - which while they all work the same, look and feel different and there is something inelegant about it.

Linux has a lot of good features that are being ported to Haiku, simply because they work well and there is no need to reinvent the wheel. But there is a desire to avoid the way Linux has been built, to produce something simpler and more efficient.

Haiku would have everything ZevenOS is already doing without the underlying Linux complexity and one day it will be there. But showing how the best aspects of BEOS works under Linux is still an inspired accomplishment.

The development size & quality is limited due to the contributors. Haiku has definitely more contributors.
But that does not stop us to try bringing a BeOS/Haiku experience to the desktop.
The Response of the Kernel is pretty fast indeed I would make the claim it is currently faster than haikus especially when you look at the network stack and even audio & video. (video mainly because we have more graphiccard drivers).
Tight integration of applications is hard to achieve for already existing applications that use different libraries and were written in different times.
All our ZevenOS Tools have tight integration with Magi-Kit and Magi-Kit-Install. It isn't perfect yet but its a start and working right now.
Drag' n Drop support is working pretty fine for > 95 % of the apps we ship.
UI and functionality are constantly improved from version to version.

That depends on how you see it. But in fact this is what every linux distribution does one way or another. But we try to be more than just a theme for a ubuntu based distro. We want to offer good, fast and easy to use applications and want to offer the best BeOS/Haiku experience that you can get ontop of a linux distribution.

Haiku has excellent printer support, but you need to download it:

• http://www.osnews.com/story/24162/Porting_Gutenprint-based_Printer_Drive...

Well, I honestly believe that helping is mutch more effective than arguing.

For example I have actively promoted ReactOS in the past, so best approach is the exchange between projects, IMHO.

Have someone tried to mail their team to ask if they know about Haiku ?
There could be some surprises...

Something that i barelly agree could be the "distroing approach", but i do also agree that the Linux one is inefficent; I would exploit the projects' differences as resources: this could attract even more users one day (and what about TiltOS, for example ? http://tiltos.com/drupal/).

Syllable has a server version too: http://web.syllable.org/Linux/

We could have it ("just" by signing a collaboration agreement with the ZevenOS' team) without move a finger: two different projects (with different teams) but with a "privileged exchange channel"... from themes to drivers... I don't know. (of course LINKS - maybe banners - on respective websites... cross promotion, you know)

Another example is the websites functionality: if this is a meritocracy OS, i believe we should have an integrated bounty system (as we already have the CIA.VC on the home): http://haikuware.com/bounties/

Even better: the b.s. should be integrated in the tracker !!!

I mean that there is mutch to do, helping is mutch more effective than arguing !

Re:gutenprint. Ah, well that explains it. I'm still playing with Alpha 1 R1. Nice to know that Haiku included printing support with the recent R2 version. Thanks for the heads up, tonestone.

I downloaded one of the nightlies and burned it to cd, then installed it on USB thumbdrive. I notice theres a lot of missing libraries and apps! No NetPositive? Looks like it supported the wireless card in the laptop though. I thought I could use the apps I'd already installed since I just installed the nightly over the previous version (R1 A2). But even those apps complained about missing libs. Is Haiku going in some sort of "dependency hell" direction ala Linux?

I finally figured out package management. Trying to patch up the audio on R1 A2 failed so I put the nightly on another USB stick and learned how to do 'installoptionalpackage' in terminal. Got WebPositive and am now using it to post this. Computer is HP Pavillion dv6433cl notebook and everything works. YAY.