Happy Holidays from Haiku!

I wish Happy New Year for the Haiku community!
Boldog új évet kívánok a Haiku közösségnek!
Szczęśliwego Nowego Roku!
Voorspoedige nuwe jaar!
Kul 'am wa antum bikhair!
Urte Berri on!
Shuvo noboborsho!
Sun nien fai lok!
Xin nian yu kuai!
Stastny Novy Rok!
Godt NytÅr!
Gelukkig nieuwjaar!
Bonan Novjaron!
Onnellista uutta vuotta!
Bonne année!
Ein glückliches neues Jahr!
Eutychismenos o kainourgios chronos!
Hauoli Makahiki hou!
Shana Tova!
Selamat Tahun Baru!
Felice Anno Nuovo or Buon anno!
Akemashite Omedetou Gozaimasu!
Sehe Bokmanee Bateuseyo!
Nyob Zoo Xyoo Tshiab!
Felix sit annus novus!
Barka da sabuwar shekara!
Godt Nytt År!
Manigong Bagong Taon!
La Multi Ani si Un An Nou Fericit!
Ia manuia le Tausaga Fou!
Feliz año nuevo!
Heri za Mwaka Mpya!
Gott Nytt År!
Sawatdee Pi Mai!
Chuc mung nam moi!
Blwyddyn Newydd Dda!

Happy New Year!
Head Uut Aastat!

How offensive! On THE DAY of Christ-mas, you still refuse to acknowledge THE holiday and simply say "Happy Holidays" -- This is Christmas day, not just a holiday.

Spare us the indignant self-righteousness.

1) As was already stated, not everyone celebrates Christmas.
2) There are plenty of us that find the constant shoving in our faces of Christianity equally offensive, and most importantly
3) The only reason you celebrate it on the day that you do was that it was arbitrarily moved there to help convert various pagan religions that happened to celebrate winter solstice around the same time frame.

Between the xmess crap I shout and say: Thank you University of Auckland!

Flash or no flash, I watched the youtube video's "A more manageable multi-window interface" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccniJHjo_Uw and "Multi-platform document-oriented GUIs" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7vM1Gc6_po which absolutely shine! (thanks miksze) This is R2 people! It might not look super polished but this is it. Throw away all the MicroSoft MDI's, Firefox tabs, no more of that 'window within in a window'-crap.

For Haiku R2 I'd also add auto-sliding tabs (the yellow ones) (so that applications are always visible by sliding their tabs if they get obscured by other tabs). Look for a demo in KDE (BeOS theme), if you have linux and use KDE look in the "Control Center" under Desktop, Window behaviour and Appearance IIRC there is even a BeOS colour scheme and it has been in KDE for years already.

None of the window manager changes are beyond what's possible with an X Window manager. The stacking tabs in particular already exist in Ion, various Sawfish scripts and right back into the history of non-tiling window management in the 1980s. Some keyboard-heavy users prefer this mode of operation (hence its presence in otherwise minimalist Ion)

The edge-strike resize and stitching together I haven't seen anyone using, but they're not difficult. The central concept (of keeping the most possible of your documents visible) is reminiscent of ratpoison, although I can't see anyone who likes BeOS being in favour of ratpoison's "take no prisoners" approach.

I used to run FLUXBOX on my linux box. It had tabs, small unobtrusive GUI, workspaces etc. Very cool. It also had some shortcomings like single type of taskbar (a bar...), no decent desktop (and icons), weak tray and most important - it was a PAIN to configure (text files, scripts, syntaxes etc). It was fun to use when You had it configured and ready, but to get there just took too much time. And it was still just a thin application on top of X so it crashed and did other bad stuff... I think Haiku could use some ideas from fluxbox.

@martin: Care to give us info which ideas you liked from Fluxbox that Haiku could learn from?

I've contacted Ithamar re: 'Ithamar has also reported that he would like to work on porting FreeBSD's wireless stack where Fredrik Holmqvist left off.'

We recently had the Macbook bounty fail, so there could be a good start of $750 towards a wireless stack bounty.

There's an ongoing discussion here:

http://www.haikuware.com/20090108257/new-bounty-ideas

but I wasn't talking about the looks. I know that it is very easy to copy the looks. That's why the actions are so important. A copycat will have the same tab but only the real mccoy will have windows attach to other windows and resize automatically. One could not say they were simply being shown a BeOS skin on top of another OS (I believe there are similar skins for Windowblinds).

A lot of BeOS fans don't realise that the "tab at the top" thing didn't come to X from BeOS. In 1989 or so the SHAPE extension was added to X, allowing windows to really have arbitrary non-rectangular shapes and as with any new thing it caused a trend in new software, in this case round windows, cat clocks, windows with holes in them, and notably, WMs which used tabs instead of a full-width title bar. After a few years the novelty value was exhausted, and SHAPE was used more thoughtfully.

So in a sense a KDE theme with yellow tabs is just that old trend coming full circle.

Of course the person who made the comment at your Haiku stand probably wasn't aware of all this history either.

The KDE project's window manager KWin is an entirely replaceable component, users can run a different window manager instead without affecting their ability to run ordinary KDE applications, and likewise with GNOME. The window manager implements certain agreed conventions in order to facilitate this. Not all conventions may be relevant to more radical interfaces, e.g. _NET_WM_HANDLED_ICONS doesn't matter if you use a WM that never hides or iconifies windows.

Most X window managers are "re-parenting" which means they paint decorations around windows, the WM owns the decorations and so it entirely controls what happens when you interact with these elements, e.g. dragging the edge or corner of the window. Those WMs which aren't re-parenting are either incredibly old (and may not provide any mechanism to resize a window at all) or else are intended to be used without a pointing device, and so have no use for ideas like "drag to resize". If a client (application) wants to resize itself, that request goes via the window manager, which can take the opportunity to resize other windows too if appropriate.

@Jorge: Memory corruption! Yes you are right, I remember now, thanks :-)