General Haiku Discussion

Hello all,

I posted this yesterday, but it hasn't come up on the forum, so I try again. Sorry if you get this twice.

From this discussion: http://haiku-os.org/community/forum/finally_have_my_little_haikubox_zota... where some users (me included) have been requesting compatible haiku-systems, I have come up with this idea:

From the front page of Haiku-os.org a link should be made called "Suggested systems" where various systems should be listed that will be 100% compatible with Haiku-os based on the latest official release of the system. There should only be a small fixed amount of systems listed. I suggest three Desktop system, three laptop systems and three Netbook system.

Whenever the page is updated with new systems, the old ones should be discarded so as to avoid a situation similar to HaikuWares hardware database which is full of old hardware that can no longer be bought. Also we want to keep this very simple. Thus, at any given time, there should only (ONLY) be three of each type of system listed.

For the Desktop systems I propose the following:

• There should be a cheap one that's not very powerful, a medium priced one that's more powerful and a more expensive one which will be even more powerfull. However, the systems listed here should not be ready-made systems from say HP, Acer or others as these system tend to differ slightly from country to country and over time. Instead parts for each system should be listed (motherboard, graphics card, sound card etc.). People can then buy those parts and assemble a computer from them knowing that they will get a compatible system.
• These systems are 100% compatible with the latest official release of Haiku-os except that it is fine if, say, the onboard graphics card isn't compatible, but then a graphics card is added to the system which is compatible, so that the end result is a desktop system that is 100% compatible. It should then be noted on the list, that the onboard graphics card is not compatible.
• All desktop systems should include both a LAN card and a Wifi card/
• They should contain a DVD-burner

For the Laptops and Netbooks I propose the following:

• There should be one for 13.3", 15" and 17" screen sizes
• These systems cannot be assembled from parts, so they are from existing laptop manufacturers
• For these systems, the graphics card, sound card, NIC/WIFI cards, DVD-burner etc. are compatible. Exceptions are: The webcam might not be compatible (I don't know if any webcams are compatible with Haiku-os). It might contain a USB 3.0 port that is not compatible with Haiku-os, but it should of course also contain USB 2.0 ports. Any Thunderbolt ports will not be compatible at the movement. These things will be noted on the list.

Whenever a new official release of Haiku-os is made, the list should be updated as needed.

This is just a preliminary suggestion that, if people agree, we could how to implement.

Edit 15. november 2011:
Please note that I posted this several days ago, but it didn't show up on the forum. I then posted it again and it still didn't show up on on the forum. I then posted it as a reply to this thread http://haiku-os.org/community/forum/finally_have_my_little_haikubox_zota...

Please disregard the reply a made to the thread mentioned above and also disregard any similar posts that might show up eventually.

Let's keep this discussion in this thread.

/Peter

Hi Haiku music lovers!

This thread is my follow-on from:

https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/professional_sound_api

First, my disclaimer. Although I have been briefly, periodically tinkering with Haiku on and off for a few years now I'm no Haiku or audio developer although I would like to help how I can in making it a capable platform for open source music production. I have been looking at the currently available options in regards to creating MIDI in Haiku but nothing out there that I've found fills my requirements for a MIDI sequencer which are:

* It should be open source (not too bothered about license personally)

* It should have a clean and easy to use interface

* It should run under at least Haiku AND Linux but OSX and Windows ports too would be preferable

The nearest I've found to an app filling my requirements so far has been Sequitur

http://www.angryredplanet.com/beos/Sequitur/

I quite liked the look of its interface but it falls down on not being open source (apparently the BeOS code has been lost) and not having a Linux port either. Another promising Haiku sequencer is MeV:

http://www.bebits.com/app/1494

MeV doesn't look as full-featured as Sequitur and also lacks a Linux port but at least it is open source. Sadly, both these apps are unusable under recent builds of Haiku due this bug:

http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8117

There is also source code for the Titan Media Editor out there which claims to have MIDI editing functionality but the binary isn't said to work and the source code is in a messy, uncompilable state right now so its uncertain if this is a real contender or not unless someone steps up to the challenge of restoring it and succeeds. Even then, like all the others it is tied to BeOS/Haiku and I demand session portability. I have also read of an open source Haiku app called HyperStudio but I've been unable to download or test this app as its web page has been down since I heard about it - has anyone here tried HS who can comment on if it may meet my requirements?

So, what I'd like to see happen (and would like to know if anyone else has already started porting to Haiku) after ticket 8117 is resolved is that we work on getting qtractor:

http://qtractor.sourceforge.net/

qsampler

http://qsampler.sourceforge.net/

and eventually JUCE

http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce.php

ported to Haiku

If qsampler or Linuxsampler proves difficult to port then qsynth ( http://qsynth.sourceforge.net/ ) would be good enough although I suspect Haiku has its own methods for playing back soundfonts already so maybe qsynth wouldn't be required? I've failed to find any good looking, full-featured synths or samplers that run under Haiku so porting JUCE to Haiku should enable us to use Linux (Haiku) native VSTs such as the excellent TAL Noisemaker:

http://kunz.corrupt.ch/products/tal-noisemaker http://distrho.sourceforge.net/

and the slick Highlife sampler:

http://www.discodsp.com/highlife/ http://code.google.com/p/juced/

(With the above links the first is the original site and the second links host the Linux source)

qtractor handles audio as well as MIDI but I'm suggesting we ignore the audio functionality at first and concentrate on trying to get it working well just as a MIDI sequencer as this should circumvent the need for a JACK port or depending upon similar low latency audio routing functionality being present and working within Haiku as there seems to be some debate on how best to handle this right now. Also note that I have spoken to Rui (qtractor's author) about the possibility of porting it to other non-Linux platforms but he has no interest in doing so in the forseeable future so we'd effectively be on our own if we do attempt a Haiku port.

Being one of the main testers for Ardour 3, I would of course love to see Ardour get ported to Haiku but that would require we port both at least JACK and GTK too so it would be a significantly bigger undertaking. If anyone has any better ideas or knows of any good free BeOS/Haiku apps that I've not mentioned above that may suit my purposes then let me know please!

i have today working full hd resolution. thanks to kallisti5.. its not 100pro becouse i dont see boot screen .. (i see only message invalid format), but after booting i see nice Haiku screen..

http://www.abclinuxu.cz/images/screenshots/1/2/181921-haiku-in-fullhd-4590383007406703289.jpeg

I was wondering, why is it exactly that binaries made with different versions of gcc are incompatible, or is it more with calling the API? I just notice that Windows is able to run applications compiled many years ago, and they can be created with a multitude of different compilers, so how do they do it?