General Haiku Discussion

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FFmpeg vs Libav

Forum thread started by DFergATL on Sat, 2011-06-25 20:05

I as reading Stippi's blog about the Meida Player and using FFMepg. I was curious about it so I googled and found it was recently forded into an other project called Libav. Can anyone comment on this? Just curious as to what the differences between the two are supposed to be?

Dave

Haiku Alpha 3 on EeePC 701

Forum thread started by admin on Thu, 2011-06-23 14:54

I installed Haiku Alpha 3 on an ASUS EeePC 701. Works beautifully. I made a video of the desktop if interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcLJFUFF_CI

The video file is kind of short, since BeScreenCapture failed to convert the file in its entire lenght. Now If only the webcam would work, it would be great.

Installing R3

Forum thread started by Pascal on Wed, 2011-06-22 11:20

Hello!

I used to be a BeOS user a long time ago. This time I wanted to try to install
it on a new computer I recently bought. Th motherboard is nothing fancy: Intel DH67CL.
I have put a I5 processor and a 250GB spare disk.

I could partition, format and install. I also wrote the boot menu. But rebooting gives
simply nothing. Black screen.

Any hint?

Thanks,

Pascal

Latency of Haiku GUI interaction and general first thoughts...

Forum thread started by twinbee on Sun, 2011-06-19 22:02

Hi all, this is one of my first posts here. In one sense, it is my first real post, as I actually spent the time to try out Haiku to see if it lived up to the claims. If anyone here has seen it, I wrote the "Insidious Creep of Latency Hell" article which appeared on the front page of Slashdot recently (and found the Mandelbulb if that rings a bell). I mentioned Haiku too obviously, and at the bottom of the latency article, timed various GUI operations for Linux and Win7. Every millisecond matters.

Latency is one of my biggest beefs with Windows or Linux. Whether it's opening a file requestor or clicking a button, everything should be instant, less than 30-50ms preferably. I was really happy to find this to *mostly* be the case in Haiku. However, it's not perfect, and I'm going to say why, and it's everything to do with mouse button down versus mouse button up.

Imagine typing into Notepad or StyledEdit and the characters only register on screen when you lift your finger off the key, rather when you press it. It would be bad, and would feel wrong. That's what it feels like when mouse-button-up is used instead of mouse-button-down for various GUI interactions. Notice how clicking top menubars does it the 'right' way. The effect is instant, and it feels good. I understand that on some occasions, 'mousedown' is used to drag components - that's fair enough. However, mouse-button-up is used unnecessarily in the following cases:

* Selecting a program from the "applications" dropdown under the main 'feather' menu
* Maximizing a window
* Selecting a file in a disk window (yuck)
* Clicking radio buttons

These are just a sample - I'm sure there are many others. According to the speed of the person clicking, they add at least about 40, and up to 250 milliseconds to any action.

In a related action, you need to double click a folder to enter it. On the Amiga, only one mouse-down click was required, and it feels much better. I understand you need a way to highlight a folder for copy/paste purposes, but RMB (bringing up the menu at the same time) or even the middle mouse button can be used here. In the Notepad++/EditPlus/Visual studio text editor, you can also click to the left of lines to highlight that line, so an approach like that could be used also/instead.

Any thoughts on this - I'd love to see Haiku not just very fast, but LIGHTNING fast.

Switching to some praise now, I love how in Haiku how RMB sends a window to back. Also how RMB lets you drag the position of the window's scrollbar 'inplace'. This is a feature sometimes only found in Amiga apps, and I've always wished it to reappear. Whoever suggested/implemented that for Haiku - I give my hearty congrats. Aesthetically, the 3D bezel effect is really nice in general (see say, Wonderbrush for a good example). The slightly darker shade of grey also used for the GUI is also much more sensible, unlike the too-bright-white that Windows 7 employs by default (which makes the real white barely different).

On the more negative side, there are lots of things which I would request (single-click launchbar/program switching, better font anti-aliasing, resizing windows from all edges), and even a bug or two, but I won't post them here, as it makes more sense to put in the suggestions subforum. Metadata is another issue I want to speak about, but I probably need to install Haiku to my HD, rather than just run the live CD to learn about that more before I comment on it.

Cheers all for this amazing OS! I hope it develops and overtakes Windows in the future.

Software Development

Forum thread started by Aeros on Thu, 2011-06-16 23:39

Hello! I'm just here to announce I've seen a lack of big apps for Haiku (Most of them are for BeOS), so I'm going to be developing Software for Haiku. I will be using Haiku Revision 42190 (Latest), and I will be possibly porting Java (As far as I know, hasn't been ported yet), and possibly Flash for use in Browsers. (I know about GNash for Haiku, but I don't think it has native browser support). That's what I'll be doing for now, leave any suggestions if you wish for me to make. ^_^ I'll be happy to develop it.
- Brandon

Qemu Switches

Forum thread started by tonestone57 on Thu, 2011-06-16 00:07

@Andrew - you may use this however you like

Here is quick info of the most important and used switches for 0.9.1. Newer Qemu would likely have extra hardware added to some of these switches.

Default VM is 128 MB RAM on Pentium 2 CPU with no sound card and no USB.

-cdrom [image-name]
-hda/hdb/hdc/hdd [image-name]
-m [memory amount in MBs]
-cpu pentium/pentium2/pentium3/qemu32

1] cdrom switch takes ISO or Anyboot image.
2] disk drive (ie, hda - 1st hard drive) - these take Anyboot, RAW (& VM images?)
3] cpu models for 0.9.1 are shown above. Newer Qemu has added newer cpus types. use "qemu -cpu ?" for list.
4] default network card is Realtek 8029 which works with Haiku.
5] sound cards from 0.9.1 do not appear to have any Haiku native drivers. OSS may work with es1370. Newer Qemu may support other sound cards.
-soundhw es1370
to see list of sound cards
"qemu -soundhw ?"

To change boot order:
-boot [a|c|d|n]
boot on floppy (a), hard disk (c), CD-ROM (d), or network (n)

Enable the USB driver (will be the default soon)
-usb

Add the host or guest USB device 'name'
-usbdevice [name]

VM(s) on Haiku?

Forum thread started by andrea.paiola on Sat, 2011-06-11 09:23

ok, there are (maybe) Haiku on Virtualbox or VMWare or Qemu or...

BUT

I think that should be very interesting run Virtual Machines ON Haiku...

VirtualBox is open source, it is possible port on Haiku?

I like run Windows, GNU\Linux, xBSD, xSolaris in VMs with their applications... think LAMP stack on Haiku!

what do you think?

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